Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2021 08:16:42 -0700 From: Doug Ambrisko <ambrisko@ambrisko.com> To: Lev Serebryakov <lev@freebsd.org> Cc: Ed Maste <emaste@freebsd.org>, Chris <bsd-lists@bsdforge.com>, freebsd-stable stable <freebsd-stable@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: Vinum deprecation for FreeBSD 14 - are there any remaining Vinum users? Message-ID: <20210401151642.GB87581@ambrisko.com> In-Reply-To: <c71d55fa-1f5e-11c1-8248-0ff6de2a94a3@FreeBSD.org> References: <CAPyFy2Dcjt%2BY5c3wwo94xis58%2BhdURrL54FKZ8-Dek2F8cN3WQ@mail.gmail.com> <a34b36b9500c6ce3c9c448a24e9e1361@bsdforge.com> <CAPyFy2A_LDXvNJRfgbsPsuXwewrJcXcRkNg6rJTcyb2PzRaLtA@mail.gmail.com> <20210331233934.GA66902@ambrisko.com> <c71d55fa-1f5e-11c1-8248-0ff6de2a94a3@FreeBSD.org>
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On Thu, Apr 01, 2021 at 11:20:44AM +0300, Lev Serebryakov wrote: | On 01.04.2021 2:39, Doug Ambrisko wrote: | | > | > I can only state that I use it only occasionally, and that when I do. I | > | > have had no problems with it. I'm glad that it's there when I need it. | > | | > | Thanks for the reply. Can you comment on your use cases - in | > | particular, did you use mirror, stripe, or raid5? If the first two | > | then gmirror, gconcat, gstripe, and/or graid are suitable | > | replacements. | > | | > | I'm not looking to deprecate it just because it's old, but because of | > | a mismatch between user and developer expectations about its | > | stability. | > | > It would be nice if graid got full support for RAID5 alteast I'm not sure | > how much the others are used for that are not fully supported (RAID4, | > RAID5, RAID5E, RAID5EE, RAID5R, RAID6, RAIDMDF) according to the man | > page. I started to hack in RAID5 full support and try to avoid writes | > if members didn't change. This limits our VROC support. | My experience, as co-author and maintainer of `sysutil/graid5`, | shows, that it is very non-trivial task. It contains many subtle | problems. | | `graid5` still has some undiscovered problems, and I don't think it | worth fixing in 2021, when we have ZFS for many years. The only advantage I see of graid supporting raid5 would be better support for VROC and people like RAID5. I don't like RAID5 for SSD's since it adds to write amplification issues but people like it. RAID5 had terrible write performance in Linux with concurrent I/O. I wanted to see if FreeBSD could do better. Intel seems to be pushing VMD since we recently had a FreeBSD user need newer VMD support since they couldn't turn it off in the BIOS. VMware doesn't support VROC. We support it a bit in that VMD allows graid to access the drives and deals with the Intel meta data. It doesn't read the info. from the EFI runtime. So in RAID 0, 1 and 10 should work. It would be nice if someone could install FreeBSD on working Linux config. No-one has asked for it so it doesn't seem very important. Thanks, Doug A.
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