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Date:      Sun, 22 Apr 2001 04:50:04 -0700 (PDT)
From:      "Ted Mittelstaedt" <tedm@toybox.placo.com>
To:        freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org
Subject:   RE: misc/26744: Unable to send mail to FreeBSD.org from home and from work
Message-ID:  <200104221150.f3MBo4x24386@freefall.freebsd.org>

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The following reply was made to PR misc/26744; it has been noted by GNATS.

From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" <tedm@toybox.placo.com>
To: "Riccardo Torrini" <riccardo@torrini.org>,
	<freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org>
Cc: "Kris Kennaway" <kris@obsecurity.org>,
	"Szilveszter Adam" <sziszi@petra.hos.u-szeged.hu>
Subject: RE: misc/26744: Unable to send mail to FreeBSD.org from home and from work
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 04:44:48 -0700

 >-----Original Message-----
 >From: Riccardo Torrini [mailto:riccardo@torrini.org]
 >Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2001 3:47 AM
 >To: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org
 >Cc: Ted Mittelstaedt; Kris Kennaway; Szilveszter Adam
 >Subject: Re: misc/26744: Unable to send mail to FreeBSD.org from home
 >and from work
 >
 >
 >Thanks to all who take time to answer my PR.
 >The only thing I don't understand is: why you think is
 >more important (to try to) block spam instead of solve
 >my (and not only my) problems?
 >
 
 Because a lot of people on this list are admins at commercial
 locations and are in charge of mailservers.  Once you take a
 few calls from people like the 45-year-old, fundamentalist
 Christian, home-schooler, stay-at-home mother of three who's
 13 year old son is showing her how to read e-mail and she
 clicks on a message which opens to show Luscious Lucy with
 her feet up in the air and spread wide, well you might get a
 sense of how much of a problem that spam causes for us.
 
 >I send a lot of PR and I hope they may help all of us,
 >but this was the one with the faster feedback.  Bad :(
 >
 
 Yes, it's very bad that people exist in the world who think it's
 their God-given right to stuff our e-mail mailboxes with all manner
 of baldness cure advertisements, or penile enlarger advertisements.
 
 >
 >> ...both forward and reverse resolvable in the DNS, and
 >> in addition those resolutions must be symmectrical...
 >
 >Yeah.  Great idea.  So I can send trash mail to any mail
 >server if I use a dialup line and configure my machine as
 >"dialup-foo-bar-42.myisp.example.org" (the same as the
 >reverse) and cannot send mail from the _STATIC_ _IP_ (was
 >a cost option to me) that Italian RIPE never reverse?
 
 That is correct - however keep in mind that MAPS has a 
 Dial Up User List in place and the entire subnet that your
 ISP is using for dialup _may_ already be listed in there - which
 will make the change-my-hostname-to-the-dynamic-one trick
 not work.
 
 >Asked for this problem RIPE told me that reverse with be
 >removed within some years ahead.  :-?
 >
 
 Then it's pretty clear who you should be arguing with, and it
 isn't us.
 
 >Or because my work ISP (the biggest here in Italy) is badly
 >configured and has different IP from forward to reverse in
 >his DNS?  And in your opinion why I'd continue to send-pr?
 >
 
 And in my opinion why would your work continue to pay money
 for service from an ISP that was that technically daft?
 
 >
 >> ...assuming that your ISP's master mailserver is named...
 >
 >Try the real thing: my ISP has his mailserver open to my
 >static range of IP from work.  Using /etc/mail/mailertable
 >I forced mail for FreeBSD.org to him but failed again.
 >And now I know why: it break the 2nd rule (symmectrical).
 >
 ># host mail.cs.interbusiness.it
 >mail.cs.interbusiness.it has address 151.99.250.122
 >
 ># host 151.99.250.122
 >Host not found.
 >
 ># host 151.99.250.6
 >6.250.99.151.IN-ADDR.ARPA domain name pointer mail.cs.interbusiness.it
 >
 >
 >> spool all outgoing e-mail through your ISP's mailserver
 >
 >And loose all my mail in a black hole?  Why?  No, thanks.
 >
 
 Then find a beter mailserver out there and spool through that one.
 There's plenty of them.
 
 >
 >> "I have my gun and I own this house and I can do whatever the
 >> hell I want in it."
 >
 >Not whatever, only avoid badly configured ISP, like mine.
 >
 
 step #1 - don't pay for service from an ISP like that.
 
 >
 >> "Line up or Get lost!" approach taken by OpenBSD.
 >
 >You lost.  Lost my help.  Sorry, but I have only a few free
 >time and cannot loose it with web interface.
 >
 
 Then pay for a shell account on an ISP and do mailing from it.
 
 
 Ted Mittelstaedt                      tedm@toybox.placo.com
 Author of:          The FreeBSD Corporate Networker's Guide
 Book website:         http://www.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com
 
 

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