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Date:      Tue, 11 Dec 2001 17:52:01 -0500
From:      Michael Lucas <mwlucas@blackhelicopters.org>
To:        D J Hawkey Jr <hawkeyd@visi.com>
Cc:        Nik Clayton <nik@FreeBSD.ORG>, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: Tangent for discussion: FreeBSD performs worse that Linux
Message-ID:  <20011211175201.B39837@blackhelicopters.org>
In-Reply-To: <20011211155444.A8723@sheol.localdomain>; from hawkeyd@visi.com on Tue, Dec 11, 2001 at 03:54:44PM -0600
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On Tue, Dec 11, 2001 at 03:54:44PM -0600, D J Hawkey Jr wrote:
> On Dec 11, at 04:23 PM, Michael Lucas wrote:
> <mutter>NOW what'd I get myself into? The wife is gonna kill me.</mutter>

Well, yes.

> > Nope.  Just an @freebsd.org mail addy and a coupon for economy-size
> > Maalox.  Sorry.  Put up what you've got.
> 
> OK, I'll take the addy (what's the convention, initials? Mine are "djhjr").
> The freebsd.org mailserver is POP3able, right?

Sorry, I've misspoke here:

A lot of people volunteer to do this sort of thing, and never really
carry it through.  This sadly happens often enough that we don't give
out the email addresses until there's actual stuff that gets out
there, maintained for a while, and integrated into the project.  My
sincere apologies for implying anything else.

(The following is in no way about you in particular, Hawk; it's just
an unfair characterization we're stuck with, because it seems to fit
the facts.) Unfortunately, many people start things and never finish
them, or don't see them through.  Since @freebsd.org is one of the few
things we have to offer committers, we don't hand them out to people
who are starting things.  (If more people actually carried through,
I'm sure this would change.)

I started doing things is 1999, but got a commit bit last month.
Admittedly, most of those didn't go directly into the project.  Yours,
I suspect, will get picked up quickly if you can coordinate it well.

> You don't mind if a few others weight in, do you? I can spell, but I'd like
> opinion on the language vis-a-vis the targetted audience. And some legal
> kinda guy or girl. I don't know if the disclaimer is adequate protection.

Seriously, it's your project.  Involve as many people as you want.
You are in change.  (That's the hardest thing to get used to with this
project.)


-- 
Michael Lucas
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http://www.blackhelicopters.org/~mwlucas/
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