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Date:      Fri, 16 Mar 2001 00:58:13 -0600
From:      Mike Meyer <mwm@mired.org>
To:        Brett Glass <brett@lariat.org>
Cc:        chat@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: Stallman stalls again
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Brett Glass <brett@lariat.org> types:
> At 07:26 PM 3/15/2001, Mike Meyer wrote:
> >> Stallman has explicitly stated his intent. Many times over.
> >
> >That seems to be a habit of yours - saying what you believe to be true
> >without ever offering any proof. You respond to people not believing
> >you - or to them providing references that show you are wrong - by
> >repeating your believes. 
> 
> That's "beliefs," I believe.
> 
> And it's not merely a "belief." Again, it's fact.

Yes, it's a fact that you spell it beliefs. As for what you believe
about Stallman, repeating it as often as you want won't prove it, and
won't change anyones mind. I offered you a chance to prove it, and the
best you could do was come up with a couple of quotes that are as bad
as Allchin's quotes, but don't prove anything. All of which makes it
look like you are spreading lies in an attempt to justify the most
recent publishers attacks on fair use rights, and on the rights of
independent artists to create and distribute their own music.

> >There's no such court case as "the VHS case". 
> Yes, there is -- or was. The company that was actually sued
> was RCA, as I recall.

There is no court case whose title is "the VHS case", just like
there's no such thing as "the US Copyright Code." There may well be a
court case that is sometimes referred to by that name, but that's not
a solid reference to it, and it certainly isn't the case I'm referring
to. That one is "Sony Corporation of America et al. v. Universal City
Sudios, Inc., et al.", and is commonly called "the betamax case" to
avoid having to type that stuff out, just like "United States Code,
Title 17 - Copyright" is sometimes called "the US Copyright code."

> But there's no point trying to reason with you. I've not
> bothered to respond to the portions of your messages that
> were pure invective, because it's just not worth the time.

You know, I now know why you act the way you do. It's fun.  It's also
amusing to see that you get to the same point that people do when
dealing with you, and just give it up as a waste of time.

	<mike
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