Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 10:26:03 -0500 From: Kris Kennaway <kris@obsecurity.org> To: Josh Paetzel <josh@tcbug.org> Cc: David Kelly <dkelly@hiwaay.net>, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Venting my frustration with FreeBSD Message-ID: <20061205152602.GA24071@xor.obsecurity.org> In-Reply-To: <200612042207.50372.josh@tcbug.org> References: <200612041443.15154.josh@tcbug.org> <C8F1804D-504A-4FE5-AB30-EA82A6981928@hiwaay.net> <200612042207.50372.josh@tcbug.org>
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[-- Attachment #1 --] On Mon, Dec 04, 2006 at 10:07:50PM -0600, Josh Paetzel wrote: > On Monday 04 December 2006 21:10, David Kelly wrote: > > On Dec 4, 2006, at 2:43 PM, Josh Paetzel wrote: > > > If you *do* decide to flame me please take a moment to grep for > > > josh@tcbug.org through the ports tree, or look for PR's with my > > > name on them, or browse through the questions@ mailing list > > > archives looking for responses from me. I have, and do, > > > contribute to FreeBSD, which I feel gives me the right to > > > complain a bit. I fully intend to ride the FBSD boat as long as > > > possible, I just can't help but wonder if the slow leaks I see > > > now are serious. > > > > Know what I like best about FreeBSD? That this thread has NOT > > become a flamefest. That FreeBSD users and developers know the > > difference between constructive criticism and a troll. Know how to > > take constructive criticism, and how to ignore a troll. And just so > > there isn't any doubt, Josh's posting is "constructive criticism." > > > > -- > > David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@HiWAAY.net > > =================================================================== > >===== Whom computers would destroy, they must first drive mad. > > I started and run the local BSD user group, and I've always been > interested in seeing what the local LUG does, so I read their mailing > list. One of the things I've always noticed is that the LUG mailing > list is one big flame-fest. In the years our BUG has been in > existance we've had one thread that was at all hostile, and it was > the result of someone posting a bunch of political propaganda during > the 04 presidential elections. We also have an IRC channel on > freenode, and just the other day I went to kick someone out for the > first time, only to find I wasn't on the access list. (For the > record, the only reason I wanted to kick them is their client was > dorked up and caught in a join/part cycle) What I'm getting at is > that the FreeBSD community is for the most part terrific. For the > record I haven't gotten anything close to a flame from anyone, either > onlist or off. > > To be fair, I should mention the things that I think are awesome about > FreeBSD. > > 1) The ports tree. Not without it's faults, but if you know how to > massage it properly I think it's the best package management system > in existance in the open source world....and it's better than any of > the proprietary ones I've used from commercial vendors too. > > 2) The documentation. Chances are, if you want to do it it has > excellent OFFICIAL documentation. My hats off to everyone that > slaves away on the doc team. > > 3) The filesystem layout. Simply fantastic. The seperation between > the base system and 3rd party apps is a godsend. > > 4) The ease of updating the base system. Sure, there have been some > ugly upgrade paths between major version numbers. (2.x -> 3.x) and > the fact that there's no feasible way to get UFS2 without a reinstall > making 4.x -> 5.x || 6.x somewhat pointless, but even so, 5.x -> 6.x > is cake, as was 3.x -> 4.x which is impressive. And minor version > numbers are of course trivial. Actually there's something evil you can do involving using your swap partition as a temporary root mount so you can pivot over onto a new / and then reinitialize your slice a. You still need to dump and restore your other partitions though. OTOH, UFS2 isn't really necessary unless you need it. Kris [-- Attachment #2 --] -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFFdY+KWry0BWjoQKURAu//AJ9fmF7w+JJYbcmNGrM6ukJy/CrgywCgs3HL moJljD9rOa4deVEWoJQjipo= =orGO -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
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