Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2019 18:17:57 -0600 From: Adam Weinberger <adamw@adamw.org> To: =?UTF-8?Q?Martin_Waschb=C3=BCsch?= <martin@waschbuesch.de> Cc: FreeBSD Ports <freebsd-ports@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: PHP version retirement Message-ID: <CAP7rwcg%2B2GeMLz1a%2B-abcjNcA_-mE3B%2Bh5ovC5iU03EKiHbAZg@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <C6261FE6-1FAD-44D1-BD06-B33A0CEAAC85@waschbuesch.de> References: <CF1F28D6-1072-4BE6-B124-A97DE43FA4E6@waschbuesch.de> <64faf143-bae3-378c-3ee2-b196c2ea4111@astart.com> <16731AF5-68E9-4E41-8D21-CF5917BE32A4@waschbuesch.de> <20190810231216.GA23293@lyxys.ka.sub.org> <CD11C7D8-DC57-4402-848C-06BBAD220D8B@waschbuesch.de> <D7D5D66C-AD53-4F2E-95E5-F0131DBC82AA@lastsummer.de> <CAP7rwcjR8SYmeJJe9KrmZRJj7qQpnjQ6N8kaqrdpDSDB4cFH6g@mail.gmail.com> <C6261FE6-1FAD-44D1-BD06-B33A0CEAAC85@waschbuesch.de>
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On Sun, Aug 11, 2019 at 5:50 PM Martin Waschb=C3=BCsch <martin@waschbuesch.= de> wrote: > > Hi Adam, > > > Am 11.08.2019 um 23:22 schrieb Adam Weinberger <adamw@adamw.org>: > > > > On Sun, Aug 11, 2019 at 1:05 PM Franco Fichtner <franco@lastsummer.de> = wrote: > >> > >> Quarterly is essentially useless if the decision is to immediately axe= a deprecated release. 3 months are nothing in production environments, if = you get 3 months (1,5 months mean) at all and also all other updates and se= curity relevant bug fixes in the same quarterly that you desperately need. > >> > >> Yeah, we know that won=E2=80=99t happen so please don=E2=80=99t sugges= t it. > >> > >> That deprecation policy is nice and well all by itself except when it = wreaks havoc over the ports infrastructure like in the case of PHP version = support where numerous ports are immediately unavailable and incompatible w= ith upgrades. > >> > >> Furthermore, the argument that it is more more work to maintain an aba= ndoned version is silly because it=E2=80=99s more work to delete a port tha= t to just keep it in the tree for a while longer. > > > > That last part isn't correct. The work of deleting the ports is > > largely automated and simple, and it will always happen eventually. > > The work involved is in supporting unsupported versions. Our php team > > is spread very thin, and they simply cannot support php versions > > outside of upstream development. There are no resources to backport > > fixes that may or may not be designed to work with older versions > > I do not understand this. At all. > And I sort of hope I misunderstood you, because it sounds like you think = a maintainer is or may be regarded as someone who can be expected to provid= e product support of some kind? > I find that notion worrying to say the least. If you believe that handling updates, analyzing submitted and upstream patches and development, and answering a bevy of questions for every major update is effortless, then you drastically underestimate the amount of work that goes into the ports tree. Like I said in the part of my reply that you deleted, I'm open to considering another model that permits and limits ports of stale language versions. # Adam --=20 Adam Weinberger adamw@adamw.org https://www.adamw.org
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