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Date:      Wed, 15 Mar 2000 09:28:42 -0800
From:      Greg Lehey <grog@lemis.com>
To:        Poul-Henning Kamp <phk@critter.freebsd.dk>
Cc:        Bruce Evans <bde@zeta.org.au>, Alfred Perlstein <bright@wintelcom.net>, Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven <asmodai@FreeBSD.ORG>, cvs-committers@FreeBSD.ORG, cvs-all@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: cvs commit: src/sys/conf files.i386
Message-ID:  <20000315092842.B552@mojave.worldwide.lemis.com>
In-Reply-To: <27833.953047621@critter.freebsd.dk>; from phk@critter.freebsd.dk on Tue, Mar 14, 2000 at 04:27:01PM %2B0100
References:  <Pine.BSF.4.21.0003150146330.3450-100000@alphplex.bde.org> <27833.953047621@critter.freebsd.dk>

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On Tuesday, 14 March 2000 at 16:27:01 +0100, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote:
> In message <Pine.BSF.4.21.0003150146330.3450-100000@alphplex.bde.org>, Bruce Ev
> ans writes:
>> On Tue, 14 Mar 2000, Alfred Perlstein wrote:
>>
>>> * Bruce Evans <bde@zeta.org.au> [000314 06:25] wrote:
>>>> I'm still using this driver.  Put it back.
>>>
>>> I'm sure it can be put back, but your feedback as to why would be
>>> appreciated.  Please be frank as I'd like to see ata as good if
>>> not better than wd and if it isn't working as well as wd then we'd
>>> like to know how and why.
>>
>> Stubbornness.  I don't like the way it does some things, and resolved
>> not to debug it or use it until I have hardware that needs it.  Right
>> now it supports less of my hardware than my version of the wd/wdc
>> driver.  (It can't read a cheap cdrom which may have the wrong jumper
>> settings.  The wd driver couldn't probe this cdrom but was easy to fix.)
>
> Somehow, this reminds me of the punchline in one of the scenes from
> the Monty Python influenced movie "Eric the Viking".  Those who
> have seen it will probably smile when I say: "Now all the ones with
> beards are in the same side of the boat".
>
> Bruce, the resons you cite, are not arguments to keep the wd driver
> around for a release which will not happen for another 12 months,
> it is an argument for us to get you some more recent hardware.

So far I've tended to agree with the axemen, but I don't agree with
this statement.  We shouldn't gratuitiously limit hardware support,
not even if it's for old and mouldy hardware.  We have a driver which
can support it.  We shouldn't axe that driver (at least in -RELEASE)
as long as its replacement can't support it.  Of course, we still need
to establish that there is any hardware which it can't support and
which the at driver can.

Greg
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