Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 17:28:33 -0600 From: Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com> To: Arnaud Lacombe <lacombar@gmail.com> Cc: attilio@freebsd.org, FreeBSD Hackers <freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org>, Adrian Chadd <adrian@freebsd.org>, freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: On cooperative work [Was: Re: newbus' ivar's limitation..] Message-ID: <612DA8A3-121E-4E72-9E5B-F3CBA9DEB7F7@bsdimp.com> In-Reply-To: <CACqU3MUKGcy8rNz0FcZLVat49BmRLD3hVKX%2BOXxkzwRDugKtAw@mail.gmail.com> References: <CACqU3MUh1XPScRHNc-ivOYLmbG0_UqpwBNWeoPA84uSOESH_bg@mail.gmail.com> <CAJ-FndCHxpTfc%2Bb5zgiX2NheaQN1LcJXBRubef4_GAYCy_pb2g@mail.gmail.com> <CACqU3MWo=ieaduuwZDF6SfzUUS5y1qzP5e2Ddg6Aphnz_O2PJw@mail.gmail.com> <CAJ-FndCDpD3rnQFwiOSGofP9cPCxC5Zo%2BPLfxALY8pnE=2HQMA@mail.gmail.com> <CACqU3MW2JEtDK0Ngdf_Br6D%2BVvdU1B9LmN0fm0F9=bG0f2iW4Q@mail.gmail.com> <CAJ-VmomhHxG8t9Sw7de%2BzUnbz0O5GSY4ifpHFtCb9JS_zS0rBA@mail.gmail.com> <CACqU3MUKGcy8rNz0FcZLVat49BmRLD3hVKX%2BOXxkzwRDugKtAw@mail.gmail.com>
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On Aug 1, 2012, at 3:39 PM, Arnaud Lacombe wrote: > Hi, >=20 > On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 4:06 PM, Adrian Chadd <adrian@freebsd.org> = wrote: >> Any interested party is very welcome to approach a developer and get >> added to the developer summits. Plenty of the people at the most >> recent developer summit weren't @freebsd.org committers - we had >> plenty of representation from companies using FreeBSD. >>=20 >> If you want to participate, just ask a friendly developer who is = going >> to the developer summit to sponsor you in going. You're pleasant in >> person, so I'd have no problem sponsoring you if I am going to an >> event. :) >>=20 > I have a very deep, quasi-philosophical, trouble/problem with that > whole idea of sponsor-requirement to attend a such meeting. There is > just something which does not feel right about it. =46rom my point of > view, this is a matter of common sense, focus is gonna be very narrow > and deeply technical. Attendee should go there only if they think they > will give positive feedback. As for myself, I would not attend a > developer meeting on the fiber-channel over infiniband optimization, > but would attend a developer meeting on next-generation mbuf. >=20 > Now, maybe I'll just push the door of some developer meeting I'd be > interested in during next BSDCan, and see what happen :-) The outcome > might be interesting to study in a social interaction, prisoner > dilemma related, point-of-view. Given how ridiculously easy it is to get a proper invite, there's not = need to be a jerk just to prove an obscure philosophical point about = attendance. There's plenty of time to do that over the technical points = being discussed. Warner > - Arnaud >=20 >> And/or, work with warner to get improvements into the tree and = someone >> will sponsor a commit bit for you. >>=20 >> Perhaps we as developers should more openly publish the results of >> developer summits. But as I said, they're not "closed" - they're just >> "invite only for non-developers." We're not going to exclude anyone >> from coming unless they really ARE going to just sit there and troll. >> You're motivated, you're enthusiastic and you want to see things >> change for the better. You're also not confrontational in person. I >> have no problem with you coming along. >>=20 >>=20 >> Adrian > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current > To unsubscribe, send any mail to = "freebsd-current-unsubscribe@freebsd.org"
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