Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2002 16:40:39 +0100 From: Miguel Mendez <flynn@energyhq.homeip.net> To: Paul Robinson <paul@iconoplex.co.uk> Cc: Mike Meyer <mwm-dated-1016056176.58706e@mired.org>, chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Re[2]: http://users.uk.freebsd.org/~juha/ Message-ID: <20020309164039.A89088@energyhq.homeip.net> In-Reply-To: <20020309144158.K32897@iconoplex.co.uk>; from paul@iconoplex.co.uk on Sat, Mar 09, 2002 at 02:41:58PM %2B0000 References: <20020306191854.C2150-100000@earl-grey.cloud9.net> <3C86C11C.8A31C8BB@mindspring.com> <15494.52528.125952.145716@guru.mired.org> <3C86D7D6.C11D7E@mindspring.com> <15494.58407.33613.314390@guru.mired.org> <8457986570.20020307135407@internethelp.ru> <15495.57385.993281.469551@guru.mired.org> <20020308113108.G32897@iconoplex.co.uk> <15497.12783.643757.175742@guru.mired.org> <20020309144158.K32897@iconoplex.co.uk>
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On Sat, Mar 09, 2002 at 02:41:58PM +0000, Paul Robinson wrote:
Hi,
> And what if you want HP-UX? Or AIX? Or VMS? Let me guess, your parents we=
re
> rich and would give you all the hardware you asked for, right? Or your
LOL! That was indeed the only reason I've ever had to hack, gaining
access to systems otherwise I would have never used. If curiosity and will =
to learn is a crime, I should be in prison right now.
> just wasn't like that. I'll be straight - I've only ever met a small hand=
ful
> of people who like me have used a Cray without having worked in the
Yeah, I remember when I accessed a local uni Cray (a pretty old one btw) an=
d spent
quite some time reading those wonderful man pages and UNICOS
documentation. I never did anything else on that computer other than
read man pages and compile a couple programs to learn about 64bit'isms.
I don't think I'm a criminal for that.
=20
> scientific or supercomputer industry. Go figure. I'm not saying that hack=
ing
> is right, I'm just trying to point out that your head is stuck up your ass
It may be not right, but it's not that bad as long as you have ethics. I
mean, if there had been available test systems for me to use at that
time I probably would have never attempted to access any of those
computers.
> so far you can't see the reality of why people sometimes do the things th=
ey
> do. Sometimes it just isn't possible to just 'install "OS" and use it' and
Agreed, but it seems some people in this list can't (or do not want to)
understand that simple fact.
> that's where a significant proportion of the "I want to learn" hackers ge=
t=20
> their motives from.
Totally agree with you.
> > First, hacking isn't illegal. Using resources that don't belong to you
>=20
> Depends on country. In the UK, hacking is itself illegal. Computer Misuse=
=20
> Act. Where you are, things may be different.
I think by now most countries have anti hack laws. It's really sad how
hackers have been demonized by the media. I've been hearing about
cyberterrorist attacks that would lead to an Armaggedon for years, and
am still waiting for it to happen.
Cheers,
--=20
Miguel Mendez - flynn@energyhq.homeip.net
GPG Public Key :: http://energyhq.homeip.net/files/pubkey.txt
EnergyHQ :: http://www.energyhq.tk
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