Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2016 16:20:33 -0700 From: Kevin Oberman <rkoberman@gmail.com> To: Filippo Moretti <filippomore@yahoo.com> Cc: Karl Denninger <karl@denninger.net>, "freebsd-stable@freebsd.org" <freebsd-stable@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: Problem with FreeBSD-11.0-Beta1 Message-ID: <CAN6yY1sS4DX06u9Em_KdZwr=riL=zwgLEe3USU0dT=9sZ_giKA@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <516799068.3859323.1468609314427.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1167694931.3702710.1468584584907.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1167694931.3702710.1468584584907.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <CAN6yY1tnkyU%2Bj=ZM3Gb2PgyXwYp5vh1g5U0xAk3EVyv2Y_4%2BqQ@mail.gmail.com> <93bd3635-7be0-0fad-35e2-2a202b990a90@denninger.net> <516799068.3859323.1468609314427.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
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On Fri, Jul 15, 2016 at 12:01 PM, Filippo Moretti via freebsd-stable <
freebsd-stable@freebsd.org> wrote:
> The system was installed as 11_CURRENT and I did not have any issue until
> ALPHA-4.I did install everything from portsand I did install all of the
> /etc during mergemaster and mergemaster -p.I do have a another disk with
> 10.3-STABLE but I never tried to run applications from current in stable or
> the other way.Filippops I did delete an old library I rebuilt windowmaker
> and I have no complaint about it
>
>
And, how did you go from ALPHA-4 to BETA-1? If you updated sources and
rebuilt world and kernel, it should have been fine. If you tried
freebsd-update, that might explain it as that method is documented as
broken in BETA-1. I am uncertain what might happen if you tried this. I'd
expect that the BETA-1 update files would have been removed.
Somehow your password file seems to have lost all of the users since the
move from ALPHA-4. I suspect /etc/group might have done the same, but I am
not sure. You might merge all users from the 10.3 system using vipw(8) and
do the same with your preferred to /etc/group. I have no idea what other
things might be broken, though, nor how it happened (assuming you did not
use freebsd-update).
--
Kevin Oberman, Part time kid herder and retired Network Engineer
E-mail: rkoberman@gmail.com
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On Friday, July 15, 2016 6:31 PM, Karl Denninger <karl@denninger.net>
> wrote:
>
>
> On 7/15/2016 11:17, Kevin Oberman wrote:
> > 11.0 has not been released. You are much more likely to get a useful
> > response from current@.
> >
> > On Fri, Jul 15, 2016 at 5:09 AM, Filippo Moretti via freebsd-stable <
> > freebsd-stable@freebsd.org> wrote:
> >
> >> I have the following problem when I start the system:
> >
> >
> >> Unknown user name "avahi" in message bus
> >> configuration fileUnknown user name "polkitd" in
> message
> >> bus configuration file
> >> Unknown user name "polkitd" in message bus
> >> configuration fileUnknown user name "colord" in
> message
> >> bus configuration file
> >> Unknown user name "pulse" in message bus
> >> configuration fileUnknown user name "polkit" in
> >> message bus configuration file
> > Unknown user name "haldaemon" in message bus configuration
> file
> >
> > Failed to start message bus:
> >
> > Could not get VID and GID for username "messagebus"
> >
> > /etc/rc:Warning:failed to start dbus
> >
> > On the same computer I have a disk with 10.3_STABLE with the same
> >> configuration files and everything is working properly.When in X I
> launch
> >> firefox I get the following errorLibGL error:
> > failed to open drm device:Permission denied
> >
> > LibGL error :failed to load driver: r 300
> >
> > This is very likely due to failure to start dbus
> >
> > sincerely
> >
> > Filippo
> >
> >
> > Note: I have tried to recover the mail format above. Whatever mail tool
> you
> > used totally garbled things by removing line breaks.
> >
> > First, how did 11.0Beta-1 get installed? How sis your ports (X11, dbus,
> > pulseaudio, etc.) get installed? When moving from one major release to
> > another (10 to 11), you need to reinstall all ports/packages. The
> > installation process is what creates these"users".
> >
> > It looks like you are just trying to run the things in /usr/local from
> your
> > 10.3 system. This simply will not work.
> > --
> > Kevin Oberman, Part time kid herder and retired Network Engineer
> > E-mail: rkoberman@gmail.com
> > PGP Fingerprint: D03FB98AFA78E3B78C1694B318AB39EF1B055683
>
> Actually it SHOULD work unless you deleted the old libraries (in which
> case it definitely won't!); the dynamic loader is smart enough to do the
> right thing and load the correct (older) version of the shared libraries
> required.
>
> If this has been broken in recent releases IMHO that's not so good.
> There *are* instances where an older binary is all there is for a given
> application (e.g. from a vendor!) and thus backward compatibility when
> you roll forward the operating system is something that a lot of people
> (myself included) have both used and relied on for a very long time.
>
> Yes, I understand that you can't *count* on that working, particularly
> if the app in question makes explicit reference to things in the kernel
> environment. But absent that they certainly should run.
>
> One instance where they didn't was with the armv6/armv6hf case where the
> floating point format changed, but that happened in the -CURRENT
> environment where ABI breakage is a known (and thus accepted) risk of
> running -CURRENT. (That particular one manifested in some nasty ways
> too in that going the "wrong way" would result in a binary that
> executed, did not produce any exceptions or traps, but produced
> incorrect floating-point results! I have code "in the wild" that checks
> for this specific circumstance on startup "just in case"....)
>
> Now if you do perform a merge and only accept part of it you can get in
> a lot of trouble with user and group IDs and similar, which is what
> appears to have happened here. It's pretty easy to get bit by that if
> you have local changes in your passwd and group files (and most people
> do), "leave them for later" and then don't go back and merge the new
> entries by hand. That sounds like what's occurred here; check in
> /var/tmp, assuming you told mergemaster to keep it when done.
>
> Since the svn repo for stable/11 is now there and when checked out
> builds BETA1 this IMHO appears to be the right place to discuss it.
>
> --
> Karl Denninger
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