Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 14:12:29 -0800 From: Doug Barton <Doug@gorean.org> To: Mark Ovens <mark@ukug.uk.freebsd.org> Cc: "G. Adam Stanislav" <adam@whizkidtech.net>, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: On "intelligent people" and "dangers to BSD" Message-ID: <38DE8B4D.5DAE0740@gorean.org> References: <38DCC0D3.99AB6F28@originative.co.uk> <38DB8D34.1A750C81@originative.co.uk> <Pine.BSF.4.05.10003241806320.805-100000@acp.swbell.net> <20000325104927.B234@parish> <38DCC0D3.99AB6F28@originative.co.uk> <20000325222749.D234@parish> <3.0.6.32.20000326005810.00a9dd00@mail85.pair.com> <20000326121505.D234@parish>
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Mark Ovens wrote:
>
> On Sun, Mar 26, 2000 at 12:58:10AM -0600, G. Adam Stanislav wrote:
> > At 22:27 25-03-2000 +0000, Mark Ovens wrote:
> > >Perhaps if those who preached about civil liberties focussed on the
> > >rights of victims more than the rights of criminals we may get
> > >somewhere.
> >
> > The victims have the right to carry firearms. Unfortunately, most people do
> > not carry them, many would not even know how to use them. Had the victims
> > been armed and trained, most of them would not have been victimized.
> >
> > Criminals would be less likely to commit violent crimes if they expected
> > most people to be armed and trained.
> >
>
> IOW it would be a deterrent? Somehow I don't think so.
Actually this has been proven fairly conclusively already. Florida and
Virginia have very liberal concealed carry laws. They also have two of
the lowest rates of violent crime in the US. Recently there was a well
publicized wave of crime against tourists in Florida, especially
europeans and japanese. They asked the criminals why they were attacking
the tourists. The simple answer was that they were the least likely to
have guns.
FWIW, I agree completely that you want the people who have and carry
guns to be well trained in their use. But the current thought that
disarming the law abiding citizens will have any effect on "gun
violence" is simply ridiculous. The people that are using guns for
crimes are ALREADY breaking the law. More laws, and disarming the public
won't change that.
Doug
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