Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2010 11:32:15 +0100 From: "Julian H. Stacey" <jhs@berklix.com> To: Polytropon <freebsd@edvax.de> Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Installer program for FreeBSD-9.0? Message-ID: <201012081032.oB8AWFhe001184@fire.js.berklix.net> In-Reply-To: Your message "Wed, 08 Dec 2010 10:56:15 %2B0100." <20101208105615.00bc2799.freebsd@edvax.de>
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Polytropon wrote:
To: "Julian H. Stacey" <jhs@berklix.com>
I added back lost
Cc: questions@freebsd.org
> On Wed, 08 Dec 2010 10:46:29 +0100, "Julian H. Stacey" <jhs@berklix.com> wrote:
> > > Allow me a side question, but... what's wrong with ee? (Don't
> > > get me wrong, I've been a long-term vi user myself.)
> >
> > VI has been on BSD since about 1979 or so I recall.
> > EE breaks the principle of least surprise.
>
> But it as an on-top help screen. :-)
Each install I do, ee annoys me at inetd.conf.
> If I remember correctly, earlier versions of FreeBSD I
> did install did have vi as default editor,
I don't think so. I recall FreeBSD installer had no screen editor
until Jordan looked for one that would fit the install without
executable breaking floppy size constraints. But jkh@ was an emacs
user by preference, & had more important install issues, so ee was
bundled in. I told him very quickly of 2 small vi clones, but too
late. With floppy size constraints disappearing, we'll be free to
consider options.
> even during
> installation. The change must have happened sometimes
> in the 5.x era. It obsoleted the initial /bin/ed, the
> standard editor ("ed is the standard editor").
>
> For those who like to use vi, it's still part of the
> base installation. At least I hope this won't change,
> and also many system utilities pay attention to $EDITOR,
> which defaulted to /usr/bin/vi in the past.
>
> For those who are familiar with FreeBSD, or with UNIX
> in general, there is no problem using either vi or ed.
> For novice users, ee is definitely the better choice
> as it doesn't require them to learn anything prior to
> its use, as learning is generally considered "unpleasant"
> these days... :-)
>
> --
> Polytropon
> Magdeburg, Germany
> Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0
> Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ...
Cheers,
Julian
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