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Date:      Fri, 03 May 2002 08:22:21 -0600 (MDT)
From:      "M. Warner Losh" <imp@village.org>
To:        doconnor@gsoft.com.au
Cc:        grog@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.org, wes@softweyr.com, dunham@dunham.org, jdunham@m3designinc.com, jdunham@texas.net
Subject:   Re: Ad-Hoc with Windows?
Message-ID:  <20020503.082221.37493394.imp@village.org>
In-Reply-To: <1020331032.442.168.camel@chowder.gsoft.com.au>
References:  <1020327165.442.165.camel@chowder.gsoft.com.au> <20020502183058.A52284@wantadilla.lemis.com> <1020331032.442.168.camel@chowder.gsoft.com.au>

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: > - The BSDs are doing it wrong.  We should be using IBSS mode, not demo
: >   ad-hoc.

ad-hoc is insufficient.  We should create a media option like OpenBSD
has called master-ibss which does the right thing for the different
types of hardware.

: > - IBSS mode works with all systems I've tried it with.

Assuming that you have new enough firmware in your lucent cards.

: > - To set IBSS mode with Lucent cards, use -p 1 (just like managed mode
: >   or whatever we'll call it this time).

Assuming that you have new enough firmware in your lucent cards.  You
need at least 6.0.3 to be able to use non-demo mode ad-hoc (IBSS).
Otherwise, it won't work, according to reports I've seen.


: > - On the Lucent cards, you don't get a signal strength indication.

Lucent cards are the only ones I've seen that have good signal
indication.  However, it is in wicontrol -C only, not in the normal
wicontrol output.

: > One of the details about which Wes and I couldn't agree was whether an
: > IBSS can route to the outside world.  I say yes, because any system in
: > the IBSS can have other interfaces as well.  This isn't covered in the
: > 802.11 standard, of course.  Wes says no, because the 802.11 standard
: > (available for free from
: > http://standards.ieee.org/getieee802/download/802.11-1999.pdf, which
: > is nevertheless a web page) says that interconnection only works with
: > BSS (i.e. managed) mode.  I claim that this just refers to link-level
: > interconnection, and that IP routing has nothing to do with 802.11.
: > Comments welcome.

IBSS is a mode that you need to do routing with.  It won't bridge for
you.  You need access point for that.  Maybe that's what Wes is
talking about: the ability to put the access point on a network and
have it deal properly with bridging the traffic onto the lan.

Finally, a lot of stuff is in flux right now :-)

Warner

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