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Date:      Sat, 20 May 2000 08:17:28 -0600
From:      Brett Glass <brett@lariat.org>
To:        "Thomas M. Sommers" <tms2@mail.ptd.net>, chat@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: Why are people against GNU? WAS Re: 5.0 already?
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At 11:43 PM 5/19/2000, Thomas M. Sommers wrote:

> > Ah, but performers routinely prohibit recording or videotaping of
> > plays and concerts, claiming a copyright on those "events."
>
>Are they claiming copyright to the event, or that when you use your
>ticket you incurred a contractual obligation not to record the event?

Both, actually. You will find notices on the tickets AND copyright
notices in TV and radio broadcasts.

> > Likewise, the NFL and NBA claim copyrights baseball and football
> > games, and have claimed that people who compile statistics and scores
> > by watching licensed broadcasts are creating derivative works.
>
>The broadcast, of course, is copyrightable, and anything based on it
>would be a derivative work.  If you attend the game in person, see
>previous comment.

Ah, but statistics are factual information, not an act of authorship.
They're thus not subject to copyright by virtue of the US Constitution.

The "Collections of Information Anti-Piracy Act" attempts an end run
around this provision, and proponents claim it'll hold up on account
of the "commerce clause." I'm dubious, and the Supreme Court is too;
it has been stingy vis-a-vis this clause lately. But there's still a
chance that big money could win the day.

--Brett



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