Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 19:40:40 -0500 From: Stephen Clark <sclark46@earthlink.net> To: Alex Goncharov <alex-goncharov@comcast.net> Cc: Peter Jeremy <peterjeremy@optushome.com.au>, freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, rnoland@freebsd.org, freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Unhappy Xorg upgrade Message-ID: <4984EF88.4070203@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <E1LT0fC-0001ui-EP@daland.home> References: <6B7ABE80-35AB-4C44-B5A4-200E10DCC3AC@airwired.net> <E1LSP0B-0003Ds-H8@daland.home> <49819BD5.5040709@FreeBSD.org> <E1LSWHr-0009TS-P7@daland.home> <1233236412.1779.40.camel@wombat.2hip.net> <20090130195311.GK1755@server.vk2pj.dyndns.org> <E1LT0fC-0001ui-EP@daland.home>
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Alex Goncharov wrote: > ,--- You/Peter (Sat, 31 Jan 2009 06:53:11 +1100) ----* > | X11 is a critical component for anyone who is using FreeBSD as a > | desktop and having upgrades fail or come with significant POLA > | violations and regressions for significant numbers of people is not > | acceptable. > > Fully agree with this. > > | I suggest that this approach needs to be followed for every future > | release of X.org until (if) the X.org Project demonstrates that they > | can provide release-quality code. > > And agree with this, as far as the future is concerned -- but this > leaves out the issue of what is going to be done for people whose > systems became practically incapacitated in a matter of one day. > > Screw us? > > I realize that personally I haven't contributed much (hey, a simple > port's maintainer!) to FreeBSD, so a disregard to my situation may be > well deserved. But "you" (whoever this "you" is: the "ports manager", > the X port maintainers) have to be aware that leaving the things in > the state they are now, you are screwing somebody. > > | > This update also brings in support for a lot of people who are > | >running newer hardware. > | > | And breaks support for lots of people who used to have functional X > | servers. > > Just so. > > ,--- Kostik Belousov (Fri, 30 Jan 2009 22:25:09 +0200) ----* > | Just to give a different view on *this* update. I have exactly opposing > | experience. > | > | So far 1.5.3 + updated DRM works good on all my Radeons. > | And, I did not have a problem with i945GM on 1.4.2 and 1.5.3. > `----------------------------------------------------------* > > Well, glad for you -- meanwhile I will be reverting my desktop to the > old X this weekend: the garbage on the screen is ugly, but the fact > that in the new X "opera" can grab a pointer for about a minute makes > the combined use of the browser and xterms/Emacses plain intolerable. > > After I do this, as I did with my laptop already, I think I am > completely cut off from the ports automated upgrade cycle. > > -- Alex -- alex-goncharov@comcast.net -- > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-stable-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > To add my experience, I have been using X on intel hardware since the late eighties when you had to calculate your modeline by hand. But I guess I have gotten spoiled by how easily it now is to normally configure X. Run X -configure and you normally are good to go. Well at work I had a dual head matrox card that would not configure after the upgrade, so I took it out of the machine to use the built in via graphics controller that worked fine under 1.4 but when I ran X -configure there was an error trying to load the via driver, because it didn't compile ( and as I later found out has been replaced by the openchrome driver - didn't see anything about that in UPDATING ) so the automatic config fell back to using the vesa driver. But when I tried to run X -config /root/xorg.conf.new X reported it couldn't find any screens for vesa driver no matter how I changed the config. After fighting with this for half a day I reverted back to 1.4 because I needed my machine operational to get some work done. -- "They that give up essential liberty to obtain temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." (Ben Franklin) "The course of history shows that as a government grows, liberty decreases." (Thomas Jefferson)
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