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Date:      Tue, 19 Apr 2016 13:55:18 -0700
From:      hiren panchasara <hiren@strugglingcoder.info>
To:        Nathan Whitehorn <nwhitehorn@freebsd.org>
Cc:        freebsd-current@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: [CFT] packaging the base system with pkg(8)
Message-ID:  <20160419205518.GC33164@strugglingcoder.info>
In-Reply-To: <571696B2.3070100@freebsd.org>
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On 04/19/16 at 01:36P, Nathan Whitehorn wrote:
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> On 04/19/16 13:26, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote:
> > --------
> > In message <1461096962.1232.32.camel@freebsd.org>, Ian Lepore writes:
> >
> >> Oh yeah, now I remember:  Because in freebsd, design is decided by a
> >> race to commit rather than by discussion.
> > No, that's not it.
> >
> > It is because code talks much louder than words.
> >
> This is kind of a silly argument here since the code change is trivial.=
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> There is a potentially large impact on the system that merits=20
> discussion. Moreover, there is a whole bunch of other code still needs=20
> to be written to make this workable in production that depends to some=20
> degree on what choices are made here: what does pkg show for these? How=
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> do upgrades work? The installer needs modifications to use pkg instead=20
> of tar. It's not clear what the migration path to/from a packaged system=
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> is, since the packaging is apparently optional.
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> If it would help, I am happy to generate a patch to make the discussion=
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> concrete.

Thank you, Nathan.
"code wins" is not the correct argument in this discussion, imo.

Fwiw, I feel this is one of the sensible threads where things are being
discussed without shouting/yelling/shaming. But thats my opinion.

Cheers,
Hiren

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