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Date:      Tue, 26 Jun 2001 02:48:13 +0200
From:      Brad Knowles <brad.knowles@skynet.be>
To:        "Joseph A. Mallett" <jmallett@xMach.org>, Poul-Henning Kamp <phk@critter.freebsd.dk>
Cc:        Wes Peters <wes@softweyr.com>, Mark Valentine <mark@thuvia.demon.co.uk>, Adam <element@Dim.com>, <chat@FreeBSD.ORG>
Subject:   Re: Query: How to tell if Microsoft is using BSD TCP/IP code?
Message-ID:  <p05100313b75d884069a3@[194.78.241.123]>
In-Reply-To:  <Pine.BSO.4.33.0106252007170.24907-100000@Aphex.NewGold.NET>
References:   <Pine.BSO.4.33.0106252007170.24907-100000@Aphex.NewGold.NET>

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At 8:08 PM -0400 6/25/01, Joseph A. Mallett wrote:

>>  *Cough*Wollongong*cough*hack*wheeze* (THUD!)
>
>  What are the odds anyone on this group remembers Wollongong? Hell, mention
>  Whitesmiths C Compiler, and people look at you like christians having
>  hinduism explained to them.

	I remember Wollongong quite well.  Indeed, if you look on the 
"DNS Resources Directory: Server Software: NetWare, OS/2, VMS, and 
others" page at <http://www.dns.net/dnsrd/servers/misc.html>, you 
will note that I reported on interoperability with the Wollongong 
TCP/IP and DNS implementation many years ago.

	I wasn't even a Vax/VMS System Manager, although I did have an 
account on the first Vax/VMS system (a MicroVax II) at the Defense 
Communications Agency to have TCP/IP software installed on it.  This 
was the admin server used by some friends of mine (who were the 
Vax/VMS System Managers for the Agency) in a completely different 
branch, and they were kind enough to give me an account on the 
system.  In return, I helped them test out the TCP/IP implementation 
with the Unix boxes I had.  After these tests were successful, they 
went on to install Wollongong on all their unclassified machines (and 
I presume the classified systems, too).


	And, as long ago as that was (early '90s, but certainly before 
1994), it still wasn't even the first Vax/VMS system I had ever 
encountered.

	No, that honor would have to go to the Vax/VMS system that was 
operated by the College of Arts & Sciences at the University of 
Oklahoma.  This machine's primary advantage was that it was on 
BITNET, so it had better connectivity to the outside world than the 
machines run by the College of Engineering (the undergrads were 
allowed to use a PDP 11/70 running something like BSD 2.9, while the 
honored few grad students got an account on the Vax 11/750 running 
BSD 4.something).  Of course, I also had a slightly ulterior motive 
for getting an account on the Vax/VMS system -- it had Moria, which 
was much better than the alternative for Unix (I can't even remember 
the name of the pale Unix rip-off).

	IIRC, we're talking something like 1986.  Heck, I wouldn't be too 
surprised to find that a majority of people on this list weren't even 
born until after 1986.  ;-)

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles@skynet.be>

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