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Date:      Sat, 15 May 2021 13:07:24 -0700
From:      Kevin Oberman <rkoberman@gmail.com>
To:        Gleb Popov <arrowd@freebsd.org>
Cc:        Eric van Gyzen <eric@vangyzen.net>, current <current@freebsd.org>
Subject:   Re: Alternate Screen
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We went through this "alternate screen" thing about 12 or more years ago
and almost everyone hated it except those used to Linux behavior. I don't
think it ever made it into a release after all of the screams of pain. It
drives me crazy when editing on the Linux Mint VM I run from time to time.
I've never been able to figure out why anyone would find it an improvement
an I suspect it was inserted in some Unix code back in the days of the
VT100 or VT220 terminal which were super popular and supported it. I guess
it's because someone thought it was a cool thing and that terminal based
editors were the perfect use.

In any case, please make it STOP!
--
Kevin Oberman, Part time kid herder and retired Network Engineer
E-mail: rkoberman@gmail.com
PGP Fingerprint: D03FB98AFA78E3B78C1694B318AB39EF1B055683


On Sat, May 15, 2021 at 10:46 AM Gleb Popov <arrowd@freebsd.org> wrote:

> On Thu, May 13, 2021 at 5:02 PM Eric van Gyzen <eric@vangyzen.net> wrote:
>
> > There was a recent discussion about a terminal database update and the
> > new Alternate Screen behavior.  I'm curious about the resolution, but I
> > can't find that discussion.  Would someone kindly send a clue-by-four
> > via overnight express?
> >
> > Ultimately, I'd like to know how to get the old behavior back, with no
> > alternate screen, and thereby reduce my blood pressure.
> >
>
> When I enter `ee`, I can't scroll in my Konsole window anymore. Instead,
> the cursor inside the text editor is moving.
>
> Is this relevant to that "alternate screen" problem?
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