Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2012 09:37:09 -0700 From: Doug Barton <dougb@FreeBSD.org> To: Scott Long <scottl@samsco.org> Cc: FreeBSD Hackers <freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org>, freebsd-current@freebsd.org, Arnaud Lacombe <lacombar@gmail.com>, Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com> Subject: Re: On cooperative work [Was: Re: newbus' ivar's limitation..] Message-ID: <501AACB5.5020004@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <45815622-3CE2-42E3-B118-702AA70C7E4C@samsco.org> References: <CACqU3MUh1XPScRHNc-ivOYLmbG0_UqpwBNWeoPA84uSOESH_bg@mail.gmail.com> <CAJ-FndCHxpTfc%2Bb5zgiX2NheaQN1LcJXBRubef4_GAYCy_pb2g@mail.gmail.com> <CACqU3MWo=ieaduuwZDF6SfzUUS5y1qzP5e2Ddg6Aphnz_O2PJw@mail.gmail.com> <CAJ-FndCDpD3rnQFwiOSGofP9cPCxC5Zo%2BPLfxALY8pnE=2HQMA@mail.gmail.com> <CACqU3MW2JEtDK0Ngdf_Br6D%2BVvdU1B9LmN0fm0F9=bG0f2iW4Q@mail.gmail.com> <CAJ-VmomhHxG8t9Sw7de%2BzUnbz0O5GSY4ifpHFtCb9JS_zS0rBA@mail.gmail.com> <CACqU3MUKGcy8rNz0FcZLVat49BmRLD3hVKX%2BOXxkzwRDugKtAw@mail.gmail.com> <612DA8A3-121E-4E72-9E5B-F3CBA9DEB7F7@bsdimp.com> <CACqU3MU-WyNFf5UZGx15m_HWBx_6W272qkfqHHJ8G7v%2BJCK2Sw@mail.gmail.com> <FAE07410-CA99-4061-856F-799DB9D225BE@bsdimp.com> <501A0258.4010101@FreeBSD.org> <CAN6yY1svYnrkbtW7ts4TF-3E0CoPY_YxbOLMmGJv6RzSUwbqEQ@mail.gmail.com> <45815622-3CE2-42E3-B118-702AA70C7E4C@samsco.org>
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On 08/02/2012 09:20, Scott Long wrote:
>
> On Aug 2, 2012, at 12:23 AM, Kevin Oberman <kob6558@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Doug makes some good points.
>
> No, he doesn't.
Yes I do! (So there)
> He and Arnould being argumentative and accusatory
> where none of that is warranted.
>
> I used to run the devsummits, and we did tele-conference lines for
> remote people to participate.
I singled out BSDCAN specifically since that's "where the action is" for
the last several years. I do recall your efforts in this regard, but it
so happened that I was able to attend most of them in person back then.
No slight towards what you did was intended.
> After I stepped down, others took it
> up and did the same thing. Usually, the lines were unused. I
> suspect that organizers simply stopped thinking about them after a
> while because of poor interest. There is no conspiracy of exclusion
> here, just simple human apathy.
Here I have to disagree with you. Once again, speaking specifically
about BSDCAN dev summits, I repeatedly asked the organizers to provide
some sort of audio stream (phone, Internet, anything) and was repeatedly
told it wasn't possible. This was not a case of lack of interest. This
was a case of "We understand that it is something people want, but it
isn't going to happen."
> The invite system for the devsummit was, and still is, purely about
> providing some order to the process. It ensures that people
> attending are willing to demonstrate a minimum amount of interest,
> more than just wondering by a room one day and dropping in for free
> food and wifi.
I specifically made allowances for this issue in my post.
Doug
--
I am only one, but I am one. I cannot do everything, but I can do
something. And I will not let what I cannot do interfere with what
I can do.
-- Edward Everett Hale, (1822 - 1909)
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