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Date:      Wed, 28 Aug 2002 23:05:45 +0200
From:      Christophe Juniet <cjuniet@entreview.com>
To:        Ross Lippert <ripper@eskimo.com>
Cc:        keramida@ceid.upatras.gr, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: RFC on a Desktop Applications chapter for the handbook
Message-ID:  <20020828210545.GA12430@daemon.entreview.com>
In-Reply-To: <200208282022.NAA15383@eskimo.com>
References:  <20020828185720.GC8848@hades.hell.gr> <200208282022.NAA15383@eskimo.com>

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On Wed, Aug 28, 2002 at 01:22:59PM -0700, Ross Lippert wrote:
> 
> Just a couple cents.
> 
> There are english problems, but let's deal with that after some discussion of
> content.

That's certainly the point where I most need help since it's not my
native language.
Don't hesitate to correct my english or at least tell me where it's bad!

> For the
> % make install-user
> command required by openoffice (which I am glad you told me about) needs to be
> made in the ports directory right?  If so, then you should have a
> % cd .......
> too.

Done, thanks.

> The link to the abacus website and that bit about the palm pilot seems like
> a gratuitous plug.  Are gratuitous plugs ok?

I understand, I'll remove this para.  I was thinking about adding a
section about gnumeric instead.
 
> I like that you did not leave out the lightweights browsers like w3m
> and so on.  Comments on whether or not a package will demand
> substantial resources to build from ports versus pkg_add are nice too.
> 
> In fact, I wonder if you might not turn that into an organizing
> principle.

What about adding a para to the introduction of each section ?
Something like a list with "big applications" and "lightweight
applications" ?

> AbiWord is a pretty lightweight app for what it does, while KWord is
> light or heavy depending on if you have KDE already or not, and
> openoffice is, right now, a horrendous beast that only the foolhearty
> would build from ports.
> 
> You also did this for the pdf viewing with xpdf and Acrobat, though I
> am curious as to why not gv (I just don't know anything about xpdf).

I thought someone would make this one for me but he must be too busy.
I'll add it myself asap.

> The pkg_add, cd, make install lines are all pretty boring to read.
> I mean, yeah there are subtleties, here and there, but I wonder this
> sort of info is not better captured by a table
> 
> with cols like
> --|package name|---|ports directory|---|post-install notes|---|major deps|---|size|---
> 
> (OK, I slipped in major dependencies and size here to perhaps give
> someone a clue as to how light or heavy the package is, or maybe
> "heavy(light with KDE)").

I know the repetitions can be boring but I personnaly like to read a
very little section of the handbook to get the info I need and close my
browser right away.  I could put this table in a "Conclusion" section,
what do you think?

> Finally, there is the question as to whether you should make
> reference at all to ports/misc/instant-workstation.  You might tell
> someone that once they decide what they like, they might consider
> making an instant-workstation meta-port out of it (or at least the
> light parts) using instant-workstation as a template.

I was thinking about a conclusion telling that FreeBSD is somewhat ready
for the Desktop.  Ending with the misc/instant-workstation meta-port
would be very nice since the very next chapter is System Admin :-).

> OK, this was longer than I expected.

I'll get my english lesson another day then. ;-).
Anyway, thanks for your feedback!

-- 
chris

P.S.: I updated the web site too.

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