Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2012 09:44:38 -0700 From: Garrett Cooper <yanegomi@gmail.com> To: Scott Long <scottl@samsco.org> Cc: Doug Barton <dougb@freebsd.org>, FreeBSD Hackers <freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org>, freebsd-current@freebsd.org, Arnaud Lacombe <lacombar@gmail.com>, Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com> Subject: Re: On cooperative work [Was: Re: newbus' ivar's limitation..] Message-ID: <CCDCF5F5-B408-4D56-B0F9-910F029D8587@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <45815622-3CE2-42E3-B118-702AA70C7E4C@samsco.org> References: <CACqU3MUh1XPScRHNc-ivOYLmbG0_UqpwBNWeoPA84uSOESH_bg@mail.gmail.com> <CAJ-FndCHxpTfc%2Bb5zgiX2NheaQN1LcJXBRubef4_GAYCy_pb2g@mail.gmail.com> <CACqU3MWo=ieaduuwZDF6SfzUUS5y1qzP5e2Ddg6Aphnz_O2PJw@mail.gmail.com> <CAJ-FndCDpD3rnQFwiOSGofP9cPCxC5Zo%2BPLfxALY8pnE=2HQMA@mail.gmail.com> <CACqU3MW2JEtDK0Ngdf_Br6D%2BVvdU1B9LmN0fm0F9=bG0f2iW4Q@mail.gmail.com> <CAJ-VmomhHxG8t9Sw7de%2BzUnbz0O5GSY4ifpHFtCb9JS_zS0rBA@mail.gmail.com> <CACqU3MUKGcy8rNz0FcZLVat49BmRLD3hVKX%2BOXxkzwRDugKtAw@mail.gmail.com> <612DA8A3-121E-4E72-9E5B-F3CBA9DEB7F7@bsdimp.com> <CACqU3MU-WyNFf5UZGx15m_HWBx_6W272qkfqHHJ8G7v%2BJCK2Sw@mail.gmail.com> <FAE07410-CA99-4061-856F-799DB9D225BE@bsdimp.com> <501A0258.4010101@FreeBSD.org> <CAN6yY1svYnrkbtW7ts4TF-3E0CoPY_YxbOLMmGJv6RzSUwbqEQ@mail.gmail.com> <45815622-3CE2-42E3-B118-702AA70C7E4C@samsco.org>
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On Aug 2, 2012, at 9:20 AM, Scott Long wrote: >=20 > On Aug 2, 2012, at 12:23 AM, Kevin Oberman <kob6558@gmail.com> wrote: >=20 >> Doug makes some good points. >=20 > No, he doesn't. He and Arnould being argumentative and accusatory = where none of that is warranted. >=20 > I used to run the devsummits, and we did tele-conference lines for = remote people to participate. After I stepped down, others took it up = and did the same thing. Usually, the lines were unused. I suspect that = organizers simply stopped thinking about them after a while because of = poor interest. There is no conspiracy of exclusion here, just simple = human apathy. The "Watson/Losh connection" worked really well in BSDCan 2010 = :). Advertising the teleconferencing lines might be an issue (I = would have loved to have joined in some of the remote conferences, if = for nothing more than be a fly on the wall, this year), but that's a = separate thing aside. There's some misunderstanding, assumption, etc mixed together in = this mailing chain that I think is probably better resolved with some = face-to-face conversations or maybe just more rational (and less heated) = discussion. Thanks! -Garrett=
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