Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2019 20:30:38 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar <wojtek@puchar.net> To: Enji Cooper <yaneurabeya@gmail.com> Cc: Igor Mozolevsky <igor@hybrid-lab.co.uk>, Hackers freeBSD <freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: Speculative: Rust for base system components Message-ID: <alpine.BSF.2.20.1901032030260.40635@puchar.net> In-Reply-To: <7BCC2D20-7CC5-42B1-BBD2-F3D077D59081@gmail.com> References: <201901021829.x02IT4Kc064169@slippy.cwsent.com> <e954a12f-5d23-7a3f-c29b-c93e1250965c@metricspace.net> <361CCB81-AEB6-4EAC-9604-CD8F4C63948C@gmail.com> <CADWvR2ju7y_rcY3MFe_381yBmPXgm1BA7RzA9ZTUfTtCHdFGLw@mail.gmail.com> <7BCC2D20-7CC5-42B1-BBD2-F3D077D59081@gmail.com>
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>> That's precisely how ideas that most people disagree with get *pushed* >> through by evangelists with confirmation bias! Like someone said >> earlier in the discussion: does Rust add anything? The answer is a >> resounding NO, save for bloat. > > And this is why one reason people say “FreeBSD is dying”. > dying for whom? 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FREEMAIL_CC(0.00)[gmail.com] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD <freebsd-hackers.freebsd.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/options/freebsd-hackers>, <mailto:freebsd-hackers-request@freebsd.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-hackers/>; List-Post: <mailto:freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org> List-Help: <mailto:freebsd-hackers-request@freebsd.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers>, <mailto:freebsd-hackers-request@freebsd.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2019 19:44:36 -0000 On Thu, Jan 3, 2019 at 12:32 PM Wojciech Puchar <wojtek@puchar.net> wrote: > >> That's precisely how ideas that most people disagree with get *pushed* > >> through by evangelists with confirmation bias! Like someone said > >> earlier in the discussion: does Rust add anything? The answer is a > >> resounding NO, save for bloat. > > > > And this is why one reason people say =E2=80=9CFreeBSD is dying=E2=80= =9D. > > > dying for whom? > And who is getting punished? We're having an interesting discussion about a possible new technology to use and developing criteria to know when we will know if/when it's useful. Warner
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