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Date:      Sat, 18 Feb 2012 18:28:59 -0500
From:      Super Bisquit <superbisquit@gmail.com>
To:        Mark Linimon <linimon@lonesome.com>
Cc:        freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, linimon@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: FreeBSD has serious problems with focus, longevity, and lifecycle
Message-ID:  <CA%2BWntOvWKuwz9TgCkyO_Ybx7GZ25yePKZ_6wetkGvbiY0KzV5w@mail.gmail.com>
In-Reply-To: <20120218221651.GB1240@lonesome.com>
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The individual maintainers of each architecture have the right to make
a "PRE-RELEASE" of the system at any time.  Come to think of it,
anyone who can has that right- that is to make a pre-release.

On 2/18/12, Mark Linimon <linimon@lonesome.com> wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 09:45:47PM +1000, Da Rock wrote:
>> 1. Incidentally, what exactly does constitute a major release?
>
> That point in time where we guarantee that we break a certain degree
> of backwards compatibility.  (Well, that's the key component.  Feature-
> additions ride on top of that.)
>
>> 2. Is there a reason to update the numbers so quickly?
>
> Yes, so that we don't have to keep supporting backwards compatibility
> for as long a period (see 1) -- it's a significant burden to maintain.
> It's necessary to do these as we rework things like network layers for
> higher performance, rework wireless to work with modern devices, and
> other high-demand items.
>
>> 3. Could a higher bar be set to reach a major release than simply
>> temporal objectives?
>
> Yes.  We did that with 5.x, and blew it big-time.  The goal of "rewrite
> the entire system to support SMP in a scalable, reliable fashion" was
> simply too aggressive.  It led to ~5 years between major releases, and by
> that time the system had changed very dramatically (SMP, suspend/resume,
> IIRC GEOM, and too many other things to list).  It was a huge jump and
> the learning curve for upgrading was way too large.  We lost userbase.
>
> Also, keeping 5 years between major releases led to very high developer
> frustration.  Why work on something when it will take 4+ years to even
> see the light of day?
>
> This is why we moved to the time-based releases.  18 months was seen as
> a compromise between all the various demands.  Even so, we are almost
> exactly at 24 months in practice; see the graphs I updated last month as
> a result of all the recent discussion:
>
>   http://people.freebsd.org/~linimon/schedule/
>
> My own view is that 5 years between major releases is not going to happen,
> due to how painful the 5.x experience was for all concerned.  But as I'm
> not a src committer, I'm not one of the people who will be picking the
> interval for our major-branch timeline.  I just try to graph it as it
> goes by.
>
> mcl
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