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Date:      Fri, 19 Mar 2021 10:50:58 -0700
From:      David Christensen <dpchrist@holgerdanske.com>
To:        freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: OS to replace FreeBSD
Message-ID:  <fcecb7b9-9926-328b-7ac1-d4620955bf73@holgerdanske.com>
In-Reply-To: <20210319133843.000045a9@seibercom.net>
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On 3/19/21 10:38 AM, Jerry wrote:
> On Fri, 19 Mar 2021 10:13:57 -0700, David Christensen stated:
>> On 3/19/21 7:10 AM, Jerry wrote:
>>> With the soon-to-be release of version 13 of FreeBSD and the EOL of
>>> FreeBSD 11.x, I will need to invest in a new OS. Due to FreeBSD’s
>>> unfortunate inability to squash bug
>>> https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=237666, l am left
>>> with no choice but to seek out a new OS. I need a bare-bones system
>>> that can run a mail server, Postfix with Dovecot, and a few other
>>> utilities.
>>
>>
>> Looking at that link, I see:
>>
>>      ...
>>      Gerard Seibert 2021-02-25 21:01:04 UTC
>>      ...
>>      # dmidecode 3.3
>>      ...
>>      Handle 0x0001, DMI type 1, 27 bytes
>>      System Information
>>           Manufacturer: Dell Inc.
>>           Product Name: XPS 8930
>>           Version: 1.1.15
>>           Serial Number: 19WS903
>>           UUID: 4c4c4544-0039-5710-8053-b1c04f393033
>>           Wake-up Type: Power Switch
>>           SKU Number: 0859
>>           Family: XPS
>>
>>
>> Dell says:
>>
>>
>> https://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/desktop-computers/xps-desktop/spd/xps-8930-desktop
>>
>>      Operating system
>>
>>          With Windows 10 Home
>>
>>
>> So, Windows 10 Home is the only operating system supported by Dell on
>> that computer.  Windows 10 Home should not exhibit the bug you have
>> encountered.
>>
>>
>> Check if your software is supported on Windows 10 Home.  If so,
>> install Windows 10 Home and install your software.
>>
>>
>> Alternatively, get another computer that is known to be compatible
>> with your OS and software of choice.
>>
>>
>> I am running 12.2-RELEASE-p4 GENERIC amd64 without any problems on:
>>
>> * Dell PowerEdge T30 with Intel Xeon E3-1225 v5
>>
>> * Intel S1200V3RPL with Intel Xeon E3-1225 v3
>>
>>
>> David
> 
> You are incorrectly interpreting the data. Windows 10 Home is the base
> system. It also comes with Windows 10 Pro as an upgrade. 


Blame Dell, not me.


> I have used
> both and FreeBSD 10 & 11 successfully on this unit.

 > I will acknowledge that it was a fairly cheap system. I only needed it
 > for a mail server and a few other odds and ends.


You got lucky.


> The problem is with FreeBSD's code change between versions 11 and 12.
> The fact that I am not the only one bitten by this bug, and the
> inability of FreeBSD to correct it, and it has been over a year, is
> certainly not encouraging.


That is a consequence of closed hardware, not open software.


> If I had purchased a
> top of the line, cutting edge system then I would certainly not have
> expected FreeBSD to support it. That is one of the reasons I didn't.


And you would be running an OS with paid support and a SLA.


David



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