Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2016 03:57:50 +0000 From: Glen Barber <gjb@FreeBSD.org> To: Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com> Cc: Matthew Grooms <mgrooms@shrew.net>, freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [CFT] packaging the base system with pkg(8) Message-ID: <20160420035750.GK1554@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <BF66EA01-E073-45F0-8F9E-22D57E8871B0@bsdimp.com> References: <E1asbZj-0003Ra-Qs@rmm6prod02.runbox.com> <76093.1461096570@critter.freebsd.dk> <5716AD65.8070007@shrew.net> <BF66EA01-E073-45F0-8F9E-22D57E8871B0@bsdimp.com>
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--NOC/txXbandKISI8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Apr 19, 2016 at 09:15:47PM -0600, Warner Losh wrote: >=20 > > On Apr 19, 2016, at 4:12 PM, Matthew Grooms <mgrooms@shrew.net> wrote: > >=20 > > On 4/19/2016 3:09 PM, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > >> As far as I know, nobody is taking the source code or the Makefiles > >> away, so if somebody doesn't like the system being distributed with > >> pkg, they can very well roll their own. > >>=20 > >> It's nice to see the level of enthusiasm the FreeBSD project can > >> muster, I just wish it wasn't always enthusiasm for stopping progress. > >>=20 > >=20 > > Maybe I missed an email in this thread, but I don't recall > > anyone completely rejecting the idea of packaging the base system. > > What I see is a discussion related to doing it in the best way > > possible. >=20 > Sadly the tenor and tone of the discussion isn=E2=80=99t one where progre= ss > is made. The tone has been a bit toxic and demanding, which grinds > people into dust, rather than motivating them to fix things. You > might call it a discussion, but it reads to me more as a bunch of > angry villagers storming the castle. No good can come from that. > Tone down the outrage by a factor of 100 and try to have the > conversation again. >=20 As probably the most demotivated person to read through this onslaught of nonsense, I cannot agree more. Glen --NOC/txXbandKISI8 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJXFv46AAoJEAMUWKVHj+KT25MP/3GnBZeIVB6Kw+EVzY3MuU+d fnVfgLHeTU5rZgnttVo3eZ5VTSFiGBoNl/A6prGiuIrwKXIg5UAzdMa+yVIEHE3s xxi5sl+LsYy1FX8FeJ1UDWGBsg89aUwQUHQt2g11T1DlF2cVnCRqWIbJtRsF+Bto 4HjVM0P6h94kIsxOmILkD3j2Bfc9vV3euwyVVbcZFr2CQcGKfN2wiAPedWeb0mfg qAOYBC/nvPWbWto3+U+AUpAnEBXOMOjOaMHiwaYd8Ym7afevYtCq5SwC+/dkP+aN nKnkYyLRO0im6jKxzairc25ZnmdiIZN6x3YtcLTRRqX4E2PYOIh/IXp5mHJ0fH7G nHrcP9xJPAQPzYwVFfNpPI8Gtkf7yij9ysas73tXn/FgGzN8f7ENyvRwERy9yQsZ nIkioljIkwrc1tXRAQz7VW79eVpynY7vhsjCgTXsdj8uMV2JTnS6JyeoFQVaqEfh guKYAkhqfsWEpX81k+c5LDrWKOL31ZAFZ3DXz2neUMvLZo3SKs6WXOSffcFjfHWT c4wuyBwJ61O/yhlsuegRjpPxRCweX12InlSFGVfV7YkfDXSzVT6xMeqQtbLGT2r9 aV53+jCgXd5HMEcDoP17/dAUKDj03Tjp+rwo+94dynzkPY4xaeH/aQnUQySBv4Pc P6MxFFwLKfEVEBObYT7C =ojLo -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --NOC/txXbandKISI8--
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