Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2012 10:55:34 -0800 From: Doug Barton <dougb@FreeBSD.org> To: "K. Macy" <kmacy@freebsd.org> Cc: stable@freebsd.org, current@freebsd.org, =?UTF-8?B?eiBXxIVzaWtvd3NraQ==?= <lukasz@wasikowski.net>, Arnaud Lacombe <lacombar@gmail.com>, Alexander Leidinger <Alexander@leidinger.net>, "Bjoern A. Zeeb" <bzeeb-lists@lists.zabbadoz.net> Subject: Re: flowtable usable or not Message-ID: <4F5117A6.2030003@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <CAHM0Q_M7mYV5r_AZEcAxi2wWuQ8u0aXTG-H1YaCLXLUytQd9wA@mail.gmail.com> References: <20120221143537.Horde.deyFDZjmRSRPQ52pxBIpnLA@webmail.leidinger.net> <BA7FFA2D-DEE6-4FB7-AE26-0BC79CBFD8C0@lists.zabbadoz.net> <4F4BA707.5070608@wasikowski.net> <4F4C3FE7.3040802@FreeBSD.org> <CACqU3MWx3pMMDncvOita-OAgfe=NPKtwKE2WeB_mdcYwozY81Q@mail.gmail.com> <4F4D51CB.2010508@FreeBSD.org> <4F4D5E5D.9040302@FreeBSD.org> <4F4DD288.5060106@FreeBSD.org> <CAHM0Q_O%2BCt6yhRL=B9oxgkL8EgLxZdo7-KFO2C8HqiN1=Kx_bw@mail.gmail.com> <4F4ED889.2070608@FreeBSD.org> <4F500BB9.4040307@FreeBSD.org> <CAHM0Q_OfeB7Kb=pgjGq0uffLJdJROGoCaGz=25Jito-kweAxRQ@mail.gmail.com> <4F5088CA.1090108@FreeBSD.org> <CAHM0Q_MZM6Gn_zPzxz5tLuzPOW=kK9YxqmrLTyitvGfAPhrkbw@mail.gmail.com> <4F510FBD.50008@FreeBSD.org> <CAHM0Q_M7mYV5r_AZEcAxi2wWuQ8u0aXTG-H1YaCLXLUytQd9wA@mail.gmail.com>
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On 03/02/2012 10:46, K. Macy wrote:
> You understand my point but then fail to or choose not to see how it
> applies to you when it creates problems for you personally.
No, I already pointed out the distinction between "new, experimental
features;" and "essential components of the FreeBSD operating system."
It's Ok for you to disagree with that distinction, or with its
importance. But what you're suggesting is that if users don't help
developers debug "cool new feature X" then we won't have "cool new
feature X." By implication you're saying that if we don't continue to
develop cool new features then at some point down the road we wither and
die. What I have tried ever-so-delicately to avoid saying is that lack
of user help with debugging "cool new feature X" is generally a sign of
lack of user demand for "cool new feature X." Not all cool new ideas are
good ones. :)
OTOH, if we don't fix the fundamental problems with ports, and other key
areas of the operating system, we're just not going to have users,
period. Given that most of the developers (like you) have stopped using
FreeBSD on a day-to-day basis, who can blame them?
Doug
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