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Date:      Mon, 13 Jan 2003 09:43:42 +0200
From:      "Emil Cazamir" <emil.cazamir@galati.rdsnet.ro>
To:        "'Chris Dillon'" <cdillon@wolves.k12.mo.us>, <jjramsey@pobox.com>
Cc:        <freebsd-bugs@FreeBSD.ORG>
Subject:   RE: Semirandom bug in FreeBSD's ATA querying
Message-ID:  <000001c2bad7$7fe479d0$39b8e7c1@galati.rdsnet.ro>
In-Reply-To: <20030112141215.V1497@duey.wolves.k12.mo.us>

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Hello!

--
> As far as the bug being in the hardware, I call bullsh*t.
[...]
> The Quantum Fireball drives are notorious pieces of crap.
--

I can't believe any of these, and a "crappy driver/good drive" rate of
fireball series is 1/200 [as far as recall]. Is true that they sold
BigFoot series, which is usable only as a storage device, and is a
fragile and sensitive to shocks. This model [Fireball LM] is designed
about three years ago, but this is not a reason for it to not work. BUT:
I saw two or three drives [Fireball LM series] with their chip burned!
Keep this in mind.

Best regards,
Emil Cazamir


-----Original Message-----
From: owner-freebsd-bugs@FreeBSD.ORG
[mailto:owner-freebsd-bugs@FreeBSD.ORG] On Behalf Of Chris Dillon
Sent: 12 ianuarie 2003 22:32
To: jjramsey@pobox.com
Cc: freebsd-bugs@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject: Re: Semirandom bug in FreeBSD's ATA querying


On Sun, 12 Jan 2003, James J. Ramsey wrote:

> As far as the bug being in the hardware, I call bullsh*t.

The Quantum Fireball drives are notorious pieces of crap.  You haven't
been around enough of those drives if you aren't soured on them.

So, FreeBSD isn't working quite correctly with this particular piece of
crap.  You can hardly blame FreeBSD for that, even though FreeBSD can
and probably will work around the problem so that it does work
correctly, it was not FreeBSD's problem to begin with.

An unfortunate drawback of an OS working around a problem in a generic
way via software for a misbehaving device is that it then paves the way
for future devices to behave the same way and get away with it when the
device vendor performs validation against that OS.  We can probably
blame this on Windows since that is undoutedly what Quantum did a
majority of their validation against. :-)

--
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