Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2012 19:12:10 +0100 From: David Chisnall <theraven@freebsd.org> To: Doug Barton <dougb@freebsd.org> Cc: FreeBSD Hackers <freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org>, freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: On cooperative work [Was: Re: newbus' ivar's limitation..] Message-ID: <C84BFA15-9FEA-49E8-919A-F4A810EAAF09@freebsd.org> In-Reply-To: <501ABD43.5090604@FreeBSD.org> References: <CACqU3MUh1XPScRHNc-ivOYLmbG0_UqpwBNWeoPA84uSOESH_bg@mail.gmail.com> <CAJ-FndCHxpTfc%2Bb5zgiX2NheaQN1LcJXBRubef4_GAYCy_pb2g@mail.gmail.com> <CACqU3MWo=ieaduuwZDF6SfzUUS5y1qzP5e2Ddg6Aphnz_O2PJw@mail.gmail.com> <CAJ-FndCDpD3rnQFwiOSGofP9cPCxC5Zo%2BPLfxALY8pnE=2HQMA@mail.gmail.com> <CACqU3MW2JEtDK0Ngdf_Br6D%2BVvdU1B9LmN0fm0F9=bG0f2iW4Q@mail.gmail.com> <CAJ-VmomhHxG8t9Sw7de%2BzUnbz0O5GSY4ifpHFtCb9JS_zS0rBA@mail.gmail.com> <CACqU3MUKGcy8rNz0FcZLVat49BmRLD3hVKX%2BOXxkzwRDugKtAw@mail.gmail.com> <612DA8A3-121E-4E72-9E5B-F3CBA9DEB7F7@bsdimp.com> <CACqU3MU-WyNFf5UZGx15m_HWBx_6W272qkfqHHJ8G7v%2BJCK2Sw@mail.gmail.com> <FAE07410-CA99-4061-856F-799DB9D225BE@bsdimp.com> <501A0258.4010101@FreeBSD.org> <CA622462-DB69-40E4-9E1D-A4D83AEB12F8@theravensnest.org> <501AAEF2.8060202@FreeBSD.org> <DB8DF40B-BEFE-4BA3-A79B-27E2ECA31DC3@FreeBSD.org> <501AB8C0.3020102@FreeBSD.org> <AD003A7C-E122-4C8E-8EC6-E83AA1163610@freebsd.org> <501ABD43.5090604@FreeBSD.org>
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On 2 Aug 2012, at 18:47, Doug Barton wrote: > Cheap copout. And quite sad, especially coming from a newly elected = core > team member. FreeBSD is a volunteer project. Our DevSummits are not run by a = commercial organisation, they are run by volunteers. I am not being = paid to organise the Cambridge DevSummit, I am doing it in my spare = time, as are the other people here. The resources available are those = that I can beg or borrow from the university and from other developers. = The attendance fee is =A350, which is just about enough to cover the = costs (we hope). Comparing this to a professionally organised event = like an IETF meeting, with large commercial sponsors (the IETF event you = cite is hosted by Google), and complaining that it comes up short is = insulting. Saying 'solutions exist, therefore you must have the time, = expertise, and resources to deploy them' is insulting. It is not = constructive. If you are willing to make a helpful contribution, then = it is welcome. If you are going to complain, yet not offer anything = constructive, then you are just trolling and I am wasting my time by = reading your emails, let alone replying. We have arranged to borrow a decent microphone and camera from the video = conferencing suite in the department and have planned to use Skype to = allow remote participation in two sessions. If you wish to propose a = more scalable solution that can be easily deployed here by people with = no prior experience setting up such a system, then please do so. =20 If you feel that you can do a better job organising a DevSummit than the = people who have donated their free time to organise the ones in the past = and the ones planned in the next few months, then I am certain that they = would be very happy for you to assist in the organisation. If your = attitude is 'well, I'm not going to do anything, but it must be easy = because no effort from me is involved so you should do it' then I find = your attitude personally insulting and unproductive. David
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