Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 18:45:00 +0930 From: Greg Lehey <grog@lemis.com> To: Radu-Cristian FOTESCU <rfotescu@idsrom.com> Cc: John Armstrong <siberian@siberian.org>, freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: What to tell to Linux-centric people?! Message-ID: <19990726184500.W51019@freebie.lemis.com> In-Reply-To: <C1F3617BDC52D21185E40000214C247C154053@id-bucharest.idsrom.com>; from Radu-Cristian FOTESCU on Mon, Jul 26, 1999 at 10:40:44AM %2B0300 References: <C1F3617BDC52D21185E40000214C247C154053@id-bucharest.idsrom.com>
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On Monday, 26 July 1999 at 10:40:44 +0300, Radu-Cristian FOTESCU wrote: >> I agree. color ls is totally lame and I think you can get it running >> on freebsd but..why? I guess I must be the old one, not the OS... To >> each their own, but in my opinion a new install should never default >> to 'bells and whistles' mode as it assumes to much on the part of the >> end user hardware configs. > > It in _NOT_ a "too much assumption on end user hardware configs" to assume > it has a color-able terminal, in order to see "ls-color" running! > > And... it's too bad FreeBSD community is _that_ conservative and doesn't > make a 5-minute change in installation's _DEFAULTS_ that could attract 50% > of Linux community to FreeBSD! If that were the only effect, we'd do it. But the truth is that we would piss off most of the FreeBSD community. Understand: there are many people, myself included, who don't like colour ls. Don't get me wrong, I think we should do more to make it easy for Linux people to migrate to FreeBSD. But that's a sideline; somebody commented that we don't want to turn FreeBSD into Linux. On the other hand, the shell issue is an example of where we go over the top: I looked on freefall yesterday, and only one person uses csh. Nobody uses sh. I'd guess a large minority use tcsh, a couple use zsh, and the largest single group (60%?) use bash. So why don't we do it? I think it's just a matter of time before we do. > I saw that stupid "ls-NONcolour" default This sounds like a value judgement. > Should we also suppose that the fact the user MAY want to install X > is a "too much assumption"? No. > So, whay don't we take out this from the installation procedure, and > force the user to search for himself/herself for that? I'm not sure what you're trying to say. You have the option of installing X or not doing so. What's your point? Greg -- See complete headers for address, home page and phone numbers finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message
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