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Date:      Mon, 22 May 2006 21:19:20 +1000
From:      Peter Jeremy <peterjeremy@optushome.com.au>
To:        Poul-Henning Kamp <phk@phk.freebsd.dk>
Cc:        grog@freebsd.org, cvs-src@freebsd.org, src-committers@freebsd.org, cvs-all@freebsd.org, Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com>
Subject:   Re: Apologies
Message-ID:  <20060522111919.GA712@turion.vk2pj.dyndns.org>
In-Reply-To: <6205.1148287029@critter.freebsd.dk>
References:  <20060522080255.GB730@turion.vk2pj.dyndns.org> <6205.1148287029@critter.freebsd.dk>

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On Mon, 2006-May-22 10:37:09 +0200, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote:
>In message <20060522080255.GB730@turion.vk2pj.dyndns.org>, Peter Jeremy writes:
>The main reason it does not work is that whenever some feature is
>put on notice, a number of very vocal people will come out defending
>exactly that feature as the only reason the world still exists etc.
>
>Eventuallyy, somebody will grudingly say "I'll take responsibility
>for this code".
>
>And then nothing continues happen.

I think it needs to be made clear that the deadline is for the submission
of fixes, not just saying that "I'll look after it".

>In the case of PCVT this would have been amounted to:
>
>	"Fix PCVT to be SMP locked, do the right things with TTYs,
>	work with whatever is the state of the art in keyboards.
>	And do so before August 1st OR ELSE".
>
>Now, in your own mind, think for a moment what would have happened
>if I had sent that email out...

With due respect, you _do_ have a reputation...  Kris (effectively)
writes this in ports commit messages regularly without the world
ending and he hasn't been lynched yet.  I suspect that if the above
mail had come from core@ (or their proxy), there wouldn't be much of a
problem.

>It follows logically that the only way to be sure to keep any given
>piece of code alive is to become a developer and maintain it yourself.

I agree.  I'm not offering to maintain pcvt.  I'm just surprised at
the apparent haste with which it was dispatched.  If I missed an
earlier headsup, my apologies.

-- 
Peter Jeremy



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