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Date:      Fri, 31 Jan 2003 03:43:58 +0100
From:      Brad Knowles <brad.knowles@skynet.be>
To:        William Palfreman <william@palfreman.com>
Cc:        Doug Barton <DougB@FreeBSD.org>, Fred Clift <fclift@verio.net>, "" <freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.org>
Subject:   Re: 4.7-R-p3: j.root-servers.net
Message-ID:  <a05200f13ba5f92150351@[193.0.9.156]>
In-Reply-To: <20030131015918.J31399@aqua.lan.palfreman.com>
References:   <20030129163652.J22139-100000@vespa.dmz.orem.verio.net> <20030130022654.C31399@aqua.lan.palfreman.com> <20030130010126.Y341@12-234-22-23.pyvrag.nggov.pbz> <20030131015918.J31399@aqua.lan.palfreman.com>

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At 2:11 AM +0000 2003/01/31, William Palfreman wrote:

>  Only in the case of a _unitary_ domain name system.  With different
>  roots and different TLDs, based in different legal jurisdictions, it is
>  not possible for a court to enforce arbitrary domain name decisions (as
>  it is at present) because if their whim of the moment is not acceptable
>  to the different competing nameserver admins, the is nothing the courts
>  can do.

	Not true.  If you live in country B, and you are convicted of a 
crime in country A, you may think you are safe.  However, if the 
legal system in country A can convince the legal system in country B 
that you should be expedited, you are toast.  Heck, if country A 
decides to send in commandos to haul your ass in, they don't need the 
cooperation of the legal system in country B -- although, it does 
make things a lot easier.

	Then there's the International court.


	Either way, it may take longer, but the courts in the various 
countries are starting to become much more activist and deciding that 
their reach extends to anywhere in the world that they want it to, 
regardless of national boundaries.

	Don't think that you can hide forever.

>  The purpose of multiple competing roots and TLDs is precisely to get
>  away from the legalistic takeover of the Internet, which is founded on
>  their own ignorance and utter lack of technical understanding.

	When they can hire thugs to come break your kneecaps anywhere in 
the world, your techno-utopia of being immune to everything outside 
will come crashing down around your head.

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles@skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

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