Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2013 19:27:56 +0000 From: "Teske, Devin" <Devin.Teske@fisglobal.com> To: Alfred Perlstein <bright@mu.org> Cc: Tom Evans <tevans.uk@googlemail.com>, "freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Stable" <freebsd-stable@freebsd.org>, Alfred Perlstein <alfred@FreeBSD.org>, "Teske, Devin" <Devin.Teske@fisglobal.com>, Daniel Eischen <deischen@freebsd.org>, Kevin Oberman <rkoberman@gmail.com>, Kurt Jaeger <lists@c0mplx.org>, Devin Teske <dteske@freebsd.org>, Julian Elischer <julian@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: BIND segway -> python -> first-class ports Message-ID: <E96D3049-20F3-4282-9AC0-DE5269385F9F@fisglobal.com> In-Reply-To: <7271C4C4-7BAB-4DA7-9E10-49D5B2DB8964@mu.org> References: <mailman.313.1386119137.1390.freebsd-stable@freebsd.org> <529E8C53.6020208@freebsd.org> <Pine.GSO.4.64.1312032238220.15897@sea.ntplx.net> <20131204060246.GV2951@home.opsec.eu> <CAN6yY1udd1GbQVK4YR-yxNe7vqX3S1refQwch2cafRnMv=W4mA@mail.gmail.com> <CAFHbX1K1AgZ4FaEjP_vvnfiwDWsj6M3ysEVn4taX_4_p%2B1Z8Nw@mail.gmail.com> <CAN6yY1tjS=uk1Qr-sBN0PT73xpP%2BBxL8wLt9aosYfWf751rC5A@mail.gmail.com> <52A12843.3010204@freebsd.org> <0BFC927B-D72E-4926-BB3D-2C000F310BDD@fisglobal.com> <7271C4C4-7BAB-4DA7-9E10-49D5B2DB8964@mu.org>
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On Dec 8, 2013, at 11:02 AM, Alfred Perlstein wrote: >=20 >> On Dec 8, 2013, at 10:32 AM, "Teske, Devin" <Devin.Teske@fisglobal.com> = wrote: >>=20 >>=20 >>> On Dec 5, 2013, at 5:28 PM, Alfred Perlstein wrote: >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>> On 12/5/13, 4:39 PM, Kevin Oberman wrote: >>>>> On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 9:17 AM, Tom Evans <tevans.uk@googlemail.com> = wrote: >>>>>=20 >>>>>> On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 5:09 PM, Kevin Oberman <rkoberman@gmail.com> = wrote: >>>>>> Of course, the question of what needs to be a class 1 port may prove= to >>>>> be >>>>>> the bikeshed to end all bikesheds! (I think we need Python, Perl, JP= EG, >>>>>> PNG, GPG, BIND and bright yellow!) And we need a reasonable mechanis= m to >>>>>> update this list as the popularity of various tools does change. >>>>> Woah, this is missing most of what Alfred was saying. There should be >>>>> no "class 1 ports", and if jpeg went in base, it should be because >>>>> base requires and uses it, not because it is useful to 3rd party >>>>> software in base. The base jpeg *would not* even be visible to >>>>> ports/3rd party software by default, only to base and things >>>>> especially configured to use base. >>>>>=20 >>>>> You are correct. I did not understand Alfred's proposal correctly. Of >>>> course, I can see several issues with that, as well, but it' a lot more >>>> tractable than a set of "baseline" ports. >>> Tom hit the nail on the head and perfectly described the proposal. Than= k you Tom. Kevin, thanks for being open to the idea. >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> My hope is that it allows us to build richer system. For instance, go = look at portsnap(1), it's written in sh(1) and due to that it's pretty slow >>=20 >> Perhaps bsdconfig is the exception to that rule (and can lend a hand). >> I designed bsdconfig to run fast under double-emulation... >>=20 >> + Running under qemu, while... >> + Qemu is running inside a VM, wile... >> + VM has only 1 CPU and 128MB RAM, with minimal disk space, while... >> + VM is running on a 8 year old laptop >>=20 >> The idea is that... if you develop for the worst of environments... you'= ll get >> screamin' performance on modern hardware. >>=20 >> In my emulation environment... a single fork is very costly. >>=20 >> So... >>=20 >> Does portsnap need some work? is that what I'm hearing? (smiles) >=20 > My take is that you are a very talented person who shouldn't be spending = time micro optimizing shell code and instead be granted a language that mak= es writing such tools more efficiently easier.=20 >=20 > So if I were going to task the talented Devin Teske with something, remem= ber you just asked my opinion, then it would be to look at putting Lua in t= he boot loader, getting python into base, or working on making our utilitie= s be able to output standard machine readable formats such as yaml, XML and= json.=20=20 >=20 My opinion is one of... + I get to work with an amazing team + I love to please So if that's the consenting direction, I'll go that route ;D I can see the value-add in all of those things. My only fear is recoil (so = perhaps a test bed of FreeNAS to show those things are of great value once added). --=20 Devin _____________ The information contained in this message is proprietary and/or confidentia= l. If you are not the intended recipient, please: (i) delete the message an= d all copies; (ii) do not disclose, distribute or use the message in any ma= nner; and (iii) notify the sender immediately. In addition, please be aware= that any message addressed to our domain is subject to archiving and revie= w by persons other than the intended recipient. Thank you.
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