Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 14:32:55 +0100 From: Brian Somers <brian@Awfulhak.org> To: Joshua Goodall <joshua@roughtrade.net> Cc: Brian Somers <brian@Awfulhak.org>, cvs-committers@FreeBSD.org, cvs-all@FreeBSD.org, brian@freebsd-services.com, brian@freebsd-services.com Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/etc/defaults rc.conf src/etc/mtree BSD.var.dist src/etc/namedb named.conf Message-ID: <200108291332.f7TDWtf76195@hak.lan.Awfulhak.org> In-Reply-To: Message from Joshua Goodall <joshua@roughtrade.net> of "Wed, 29 Aug 2001 14:11:31 BST." <Pine.LNX.4.33.0108291352400.7576-100000@elm.phenome.org>
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> > > With my admin hat on, I expect MFC'd new features, not just bugfixes and
> > > security patches in -stable.
> >
> > We have differing opinions.
>
> We have differing realities.
>
> Since the releases are rolled as tags on the releng_4 branch, how is 4.x
> supposed to progress?
The same way that a commercial operating system progresses. Minor
releases (or patch kits for most commercial OSs) are not meant to
introduce new features unless the market really requires them.
Users don't expect to have to fight minor updates, just major updates.
> If you really a more conservative branch for some commercial reason, then
> I might suggest operating a separate (p4?) repo, importing releng_4_3 and
> merging from stable as desired. The license lets you do that, after all.
No, -stable *is* that conservative branch IMHO. If I want features I
run -current. What you're saying is ludicrous - you expect a commercial
user to be versed in what's safe and what's not safe on the -stable
branch ? Look at the name: ``stable'', everything should be safe.
> No-one should think "make world && shutdown -r now" to be a reliable
> update procedure.
You forgot buildkernel, installkernel and mergemaster, and I certainly
do think that's a reliable update procedure (I've been doing it for
years). It's an upgrade procedure that's becoming less reliable
though.... But this conversation is moving towards a different thread
now.
> J
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