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Date:      Sun, 13 Dec 1998 19:26:50 +0200
From:      Mark Murray <mark@grondar.za>
To:        Matthew Dillon <dillon@apollo.backplane.com>
Cc:        Kris Kennaway <kkennawa@physics.adelaide.edu.au>, Eivind Eklund <eivind@yes.no>, Dag-Erling Smorgrav <des@flood.ping.uio.no>, John Birrell <jb@cimlogic.com.au>, jb@FreeBSD.ORG, cvs-committers@FreeBSD.ORG, cvs-all@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: cvs commit: src/etc Makefile 
Message-ID:  <199812131726.TAA58330@greenpeace.grondar.za>
In-Reply-To: Your message of " Sun, 13 Dec 1998 08:34:23 PST." <199812131634.IAA05940@apollo.backplane.com> 
References:  <Pine.OSF.4.05.9812140157560.30635-100000@bragg> <199812131602.SAA42164@greenpeace.grondar.za>   <199812131634.IAA05940@apollo.backplane.com> 

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Matthew Dillon wrote:
>     The single biggest problem people have trying to go from -stable
>     to -current is having to type make world (or other similarly large
>     target), wait an hour, and have it exit with an error, then fix
>     the error and type make world again, wait another hour, and have
>     it exit with another error, then fix THAT error, type make world
>     *again*, wait *another* hour ...
>
>     See the problem?

I agree with you that it is _a_ problem; I do not agree that it is
_the_biggest_ problem.

The large problem we are talking about here are folk without the
necessary er, "talent" running current, and squealing because of the
lack of varying features.

To some extent, Current is a "puzzle"; you crack it, you're in, you
don't, you get to wait outside until you do. Heck - the current team
does not have the time to commit/fix "critical" bug reports. Making
current luser-friendly is _waaay_ off the realms of likelyhood.

All good intentions aside, there is simply not enough manpower, and full
disclosure of this as documented in "Who should upgrade to Current?" in
the Handbook (FAQ?) is IMHO the most appropriate.

>     When I went through the elf conversion on my home box two months
>     ago or so, it took *all* *day*.  I had to restart the make 5
>     times.  Worse, it would get into situations where it had partially
>     installed something, and restarting the make wouldn't recover from
>     the partial install... it'd die somewhere else.

Different problem; "make all" is 90% of what you want.

>     It would be a lot easier if there were a clearly defined and
>     displayed way to pick up a make where we left off after fixing
>     whatever little error caused the whole shebang to abort.

:-) Fix "make all" - But I repeat myself.

M 
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