Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2019 11:29:55 +1300 From: Kristof Provost <kp@FreeBSD.org> To: Enji Cooper <yaneurabeya@gmail.com> Cc: Eric McCorkle <eric@metricspace.net>, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Speculative: Rust for base system components Message-ID: <4867C05A-BCEF-4F1C-965D-84056092D70C@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <361CCB81-AEB6-4EAC-9604-CD8F4C63948C@gmail.com> References: <201901021829.x02IT4Kc064169@slippy.cwsent.com> <e954a12f-5d23-7a3f-c29b-c93e1250965c@metricspace.net> <361CCB81-AEB6-4EAC-9604-CD8F4C63948C@gmail.com>
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> On 4 Jan 2019, at 05:22, Enji Cooper <yaneurabeya@gmail.com> wrote: > > >> On Jan 3, 2019, at 04:46, Eric McCorkle <eric@metricspace.net> wrote: >> >> On 1/2/19 1:29 PM, Cy Schubert wrote: >> >>>> I'm all for discussion and criticism of this, that's why I posted it, >>>> but I don't think these kinds of false equivalences are helpful. >>> >>> Actually it is helpful. Without a solid proposal of a new feature or >>> userland utility to be imported into base that requires the support of >>> a language not already in base, the implication of the original email >>> starting this thread was to rewrite FreeBSD using rust. >> >> That doesn't represent what I wrote at all, and is bordering on a >> strawman argument. Nobody to my knowledge is suggesting rewriting >> everything, nor would that be possible. >> >>> In reality we should rely more on ports. Over the years this business >>> has become more fragmented. Each year we see new languages being >>> developed and used. Importing new shiny objects into base is >>> unsustainable. IMO the momentum is behind containerization, >>> specifically kubernetes and docker-like containers. That is today. The >>> next year or two will introduce new technologies and shiny objects >>> which we will likely need to introduce here to remain relevant. We >>> should be looking to reduce the footprint of base, introduce new >>> technologies in ports (ports are much easier to build from scratch, >>> maintain, and update than base). Additionally the idea of meta-ports >>> that install groups of packages would make building purpose-built >>> systems a breeze for our user base, similar to what anaconda does, like >>> a FreeBSD based LAMP (FAMP) stack package that installs all the >>> necessary bits with one pkg install command. >> >> And that seems to be the point of convergence in all this, which is fine >> by me. I was looking to discuss the options and figure out the best way >> forward. > > Going back to my previous statement, I think writing a service monitor (to work alongside init and rc) in modern C++/rust would be a good item to undertake. > > I’d be willing to do this with someone else, as a research project/to demo how rust could be used. I think that’s an excellent idea, and would be interested in trying to help out with it. Regards, Kristof
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