Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2019 16:56:27 -0000 From: Pete Wright <pete@nomadlogic.org> To: greg@unrelenting.technology, Ed Maste <emaste@freebsd.org>, freebsd-arch <freebsd-arch@freebsd.org>, freebsd-arm <freebsd-arm@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: arm64 as Tier 1 for FreeBSD 13 Message-ID: <a91af4b9-8071-82f4-ba37-e50fb4539772@nomadlogic.org> In-Reply-To: <6d9f394c670a8426c61a3d075ffaf3e9@unrelenting.technology> References: <CAPyFy2BXWPVOJo%2BGOf83sZFrPHE80-QvdHeWrhi%2BTdj0KDnThg@mail.gmail.com> <CAPyFy2Aa6Uj0nyQ1Y_KPLd7%2BROJ4xW5i-SpctV1sRVK_BivPHw@mail.gmail.com> <CAPyFy2D91v7SwjZOgMG0a9V%2BH6GVCF8NHKp341N8mwnCvA71cA@mail.gmail.com> <CAPyFy2BP3hFHuFJyo2M-5pc0%2BCmRiyym1TZ81P5xicR4zED1JQ@mail.gmail.com> <6d9f394c670a8426c61a3d075ffaf3e9@unrelenting.technology>
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On 12/3/19 7:12 AM, greg@unrelenting.technology wrote: > December 3, 2019 1:57 PM, "Ed Maste" <emaste@freebsd.org> wrote: > >>> Developers should be able to build packages on commonly available, >>> non-embedded Tier 1 systems. This can mean either native builds if >>> non-embedded systems are commonly available for the platform in question, >>> or it can mean cross-builds hosted on some other Tier 1 architecture. >> This is somewhat of a challenge today - there aren't many arm64 >> platforms readily available in a configuration most suited to >> developer use, such as a 4- or 8-core system with 16GB of RAM and >> SATA- or NVMe-connected storage. Smaller systems (e.g. Pine64) are >> readily available but not quite capable enough; larger systems (e.g. >> Marvell ThunderX and Ampere eMAG) are out of reach for typical >> developer use. User-mode QEMU cross-builds are a possibility, but this >> item is one that should resolve over time as new platforms become >> available. > The Marvell/SolidRun MACCHIATObin is an affordable 4-core (Cortex A72) > with DDR4 (takes one full size DIMM), SATA, USB 3.0 and PCIe. > And most importantly, excellent firmware support (upstream EDK2+TrustedFirmware). > The PCIe is rather quirky (I really should make a proper blog post already) > but I have it working with a Radeon RX 480. > It can be a decent developer desktop if you're fine with > "2013 era ultrabook" levels of performance :D > > Though honestly if we're talking just about build machines, the RPi4 is also > a 4xA72.. Of course the elephant in the room is the RAM :( > But at least it has USB 3.0 for I/O, and we won't actually need to support PCIe: > https://github.com/pftf/edk2-platforms/commit/f6469886e216390f460494b81a4a4bf78cb66ba8 > > Also, nothing in "non-embedded systems" says "hardware you physically own", right? > An EC2 a1.4xlarge (spot) instance is an excellent way to build big software. interesting timing in regards to using AWS for builds: https://aws.amazon.com/blogs/aws/coming-soon-graviton2-powered-general-purpose-compute-optimized-memory-optimized-ec2-instances/ if these perf numbers are real, this is something i would be interested in for general purpose systems i deploy on AWS. -p -- Pete Wright pete@nomadlogic.org @nomadlogicLA
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