Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 14:02:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Doug Barton <DougB@FreeBSD.org> To: Marcel Moolenaar <marcel@xcllnt.net> Cc: cvs-all@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/rescue/rescue Makefile Message-ID: <20030905135542.M90946@12-234-22-23.pyvrag.nggov.pbz> In-Reply-To: <20030905183127.GA849@dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net> References: <42548.1062488547@critter.freebsd.dk> <20030902004917.S6074@znfgre.qbhto.arg> <3F58B8B7.30107@tcoip.com.br> <20030905110128.Y8003@znfgre.qbhto.arg> <20030905183127.GA849@dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net>
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On Fri, 5 Sep 2003, Marcel Moolenaar wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 05, 2003 at 11:05:09AM -0700, Doug Barton wrote:
> > >
> > > So this consensus isn't at all all that consensual.
> >
> > "Consensus" does not mean "Universal Agreement."
>
> It does mean "general agreement", so if you don't take universal
> literally then for all practical purposes it does mean universal
> agreement.
Errr.. huh? Here is the American Heritage Dictionary defnition:
NOUN:1. An opinion or position reached by a group as a whole.
2. General agreement or accord: government by consensus.
In a group this size, with as many smart people as we have
participating, you're never going to get universal agreement. In
addition to the fact that it's not what consensus means in the first
place. :)
> This is also the crux: we never formally agreed on anything, because
> we cannot deal with the consequence: which is to unify all knobs. So,
> the only understanding we reached was that we have slightly more
> separatists than we have consolidators. But as long as we don't unify
> the usage of the existing knobs, this topic will be repeated ad
> nauseam.
>
> Since I'm not going to change the knobs, I cannot force an outcome.
Don't take this the wrong way, but with an attitude like that, how do
you get out of bed in the morning? :) The consensus was that we'd use
seperators for all NEW knobs, and go back and deal with the rest if time
allows.
In addition to the concern about knobs without seperators sometimes
being hard for people who do understand english to parse, we also have
to take into account the people for whom english is not their first
language. Therefore, I think that the need for this standard on all new
knobs is clear, and I'll take the rest of the discussion to -arch where
it belongs.
Doug
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