Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 18:10:28 +0100 From: Matthew Seaman <m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk> To: Kirk Strauser <kirk@strauser.com> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Detaching program from controlling terminal Message-ID: <20040615171028.GB94698@happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <877ju84vj1.fsf@strauser.com> References: <40CE8CB9.9050504@synthexp.net> <20040615131601.GA32001@millerlite.local.mark-and-erika.com> <20040615134621.GA91079@happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk> <877ju84vj1.fsf@strauser.com>
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On Tue, Jun 15, 2004 at 11:48:34AM -0500, Kirk Strauser wrote:
> At 2004-06-15T13:46:21Z, Matthew Seaman <m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk>=
writes:
>=20
> > The fact that sysadmins generally don't know users' passwords, and have=
no
> > practical means of finding them out if the user doesn't want them to kn=
ow
> > what it is.
>=20
> Install and play with "john". It was enlightening for me.
There was a tacit assumption in what I was saying that users wouldn't
choose weak passwords. Now, I know that is completely unrealistic and
never happens in practice unless a suitably large stick is weilded to
concentrate the lusers' minds. It's the difference between theory and
practice.
=20
> > Since the sysadmin doesn't know what the users' password is on the syst=
ems
> > he admins, the user can safely use the same password on other systems w=
ith
> > different admins.
>=20
> For the sake of clarity, is that your belief, or are you explaining what
> other peoples' opinions?
That's the theoretical ideal, assuming that everybody concerned acts
in a reasonable way so as not to leave security holes that you could
drive a truck through... In practice, it probably isn't like that.
Cheers,
Matthew
--=20
Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 26 The Paddocks
Savill Way
PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Marlow
Tel: +44 1628 476614 Bucks., SL7 1TH UK
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