Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 13:01:36 +0000 (GMT) From: "Jonathan M. Slivko" <jslivko@linux-mafia.net> To: Craig Cowen <craig@allmaui.com> Cc: David Talkington <dtalk@prairienet.org>, "freebsd-security@FreeBSD.ORG" <freebsd-security@FreeBSD.ORG> Subject: Re: Check Point FW-1 Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.21.0010091258310.3423-100000@alpha.simphost.com> In-Reply-To: <39E04F14.B3CE226C@allmaui.com>
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What about LinuxCare and RedHat Support? Isn't that pretty much the same
things as what your reffering to when you say: "1-800-helpIseebluescreens".
That's esentially the same thing. Isn't it?
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On Sun, 8 Oct 2000, Craig Cowen wrote:
> Well I sure have stirred up a topic.
> Unfortunately, who ever made the point of covering their (The suits) asses
> by means of accountability, hit the nail on the head.
> That and not being dependant on me. But I argue on that point that there
> are many out there who could utilize IPF.
> More important, if the person who will be administering FW-1 can't, then
> he/she dosen't know enough about the practice.
>
> Opinions, like assholes (and this list proves what I am about to say),
> everybody has one.
> Here is mine.
> NT has no reason on this planet except for people who want to reboot their
> workstation once a week instead of once a day.
> As a matter of fact, given the choice between an NT box and a Mac, I would
> go back to bussing tables.
> Unix is where it is at, Solaris, BSD, Linux, whatever, there is no equal
> and there never will be.
>
> As for 1-800-helpmeIseebluescreens, they are dummer than the poeple who
> choose to purchase the product in the first place and have only cheat
> sheets created by the engineers who know what will fail because the Suits
> above them had to rush their over priced product to market so that they
> could go IPO and not under.
>
> Just my Opinion/Rant/Frustration
>
> Craig
>
> David Talkington wrote:
>
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> > >What is really the difference is being able to dial 1-800-FIREWALL and
> > >have someone help you out, etc.
> > >Darren
> >
> > Yeah, I wonder if my (item b) instinct was unfair. David Pick
> > mentioned herein the possibility that the company might not even WANT
> > the expertise to be in-house, and while his scenario was pretty ugly,
> > it suggests a more benign one ... if the company goes with an
> > open-source solution, and you're the only one on staff who knows how
> > to use it, they are then dependent on your talent. Great for you, but
> > bad for them, if turnover is high. At least a purchased solution
> > ensures some kind of support no matter who leaves the company.
> >
> > Your thoughts on this? Seems like a valid concern, and not one that I
> > had considered. (Perhaps I'm naive ... )
> >
> > - -d
> >
> > - --
> > David Talkington
> > Prairienet / Community Networking Initiative
> > 217-244-1962
> > dtalk@prairienet.org
> >
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