Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2020 02:14:24 -0700 From: Chris <bsd-lists@BSDforge.com> To: Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com> Cc: FreeBSD X11 <x11@freebsd.org>, Niclas Zeising <zeising@freebsd.org>, Alexey Dokuchaev <danfe@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: Ars Technica article Message-ID: <8b5ff406206a0c2f67475269a752127d@udns.ultimatedns.net> In-Reply-To: <CANCZdfqfkVGDGssHC%2Bts6df7QeiCsA68CQnjOAAXdH2JsDMTaQ@mail.gmail.com>
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On Mon, 13 Apr 2020 01:11:30 -0600 Warner Losh imp@bsdimp.com said > On Sun, Apr 12, 2020, 11:24 PM Alexey Dokuchaev <danfe@freebsd.org> wrote: > > > [ setting CC to a more appropriate -x11@ list ] > > > > On Sat, Apr 11, 2020 at 12:43:00AM +0000, Niclas Zeising wrote: ...big snip... > in this part of the stack: the drm-kmod maintainer's job shifted so he's > had to resign from that role. We have nobody to even update to newer Linux > driver versions (though we might have a promising person in the wings). > There's literally nobody that has the time, the hardware, the docs and the > expertise to help with this older video hardware (at least as evidence of > it's remaining broken for a long, long time). Until that person shows up, > you will unfortunately be out of luck. OK I've bit my tongue as long as I can on this... How is importing yet more Linux code into FreeBSD a better thing? Or how is it *fixing* anything regarding FreeBSD. For clarity; I don't dislike Linux. I just prefer to use (Free)BSD. I'm frankly alarmed with the apparent volume that Linux code is entering the FreeBSD code base. I noticed much of the UEFI bits are also converted Linux bits. I suppose for a quick needed stop-gap solution it might be reasonable. But it appears that a tremendous amount of time, and effort has gone into all this, and given the previously mentioned lack of man-power. It seems unlikely that any of this will be replaced with a FreeBSD equivalent. I'm not blowing smoke here. I earmarked some time that I wouldn't be taking contracts so that I could invest some time on FreeBSD concerning "nits" I had that I thought could improve things a bit. I looked into taking the time to make it nearly/fully POSIX complaint. Browsing the code. It was clear I wouldn't stand a chance unless I started at ~9.x where it starts to go sideways in fairly rapid succession. So I decided to look elsewhere. I've had some nits with the Graphics dept. so I thought I'd look to see where I could best spend my efforts. Then the new Xorg landed. Well that's going a *completely* different direction than it was, and I don't think I want to participate in that new direction. I've finally landed on working on bolstering sc/syscons in an effort to provide graphics mode switching and detection to it. Sorry if I've usurped this thread. But it's really been bothering me, and I think others. So I just said it. Thank you for your indulgence. --Chris Oh! I'm *not* directing this at you Warner. Just responding in the thread. > > Warner > > ./danfe > > > > *) https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=237642 > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-x11@freebsd.org mailing list > > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-x11 > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-x11-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-x11@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-x11 > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-x11-unsubscribe@freebsd.org"home | help
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