Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2019 10:38:27 -0800 From: Enji Cooper <yaneurabeya@gmail.com> To: Wojciech Puchar <wojtek@puchar.net> Cc: Cy Schubert <Cy.Schubert@cschubert.com>, Igor Mozolevsky <igor@hybrid-lab.co.uk>, Hackers freeBSD <freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: Strategic Thinking (was: Re: Speculative: Rust for base system components) Message-ID: <0EB517DF-376E-435A-B24D-A4964D0F148F@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <alpine.BSF.2.20.1901051606240.99904@puchar.net> References: <201901041951.x04Jppo2029486@slippy.cwsent.com> <alpine.BSF.2.20.1901051606240.99904@puchar.net>
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On Jan 5, 2019, at 07:07, Wojciech Puchar <wojtek@puchar.net> wrote: >>>> A) FreeBSD needs to become a platform that can host current and >>>> evolving virtualization technologies. >>>>=20 >>>> B) FreeBSD should be able to play in the container space similarly to >>>> Linux. Unfortunately I believe that this horse has left the barn and it= >>>> may be too late. Then again maybe there is something we can redeem. >>>=20 >>> C) Make FreeBSD like others. So why making FreeBSD? >>=20 >> Because we offer some technologies the others do not. Unfortunately >> inferior and incompatible approaches (similarly: VHS vs BETA, Blue Ray >> vs HD) have left us on the outside. Try porting Kubernetes to FreeBSD. > no need to. Actually, not having Docker/Kubernetes support makes it more difficult to ri= de the CI/distributed system wave, requiring FreeBSD to reinvent the wheel t= o do CI, and force various groups to write their own homegrown distributed s= ystems infrastructures instead of leveraging existing technologies. >> The technologies used today are more than just fads. They are building >> blocks onto which future technologies will be built. >>=20 > and this is really sad. Not really. It=E2=80=99s a sign of maturity as most things now run on a =E2=80= =9Ccloud based=E2=80=9D infrastructure, or small embedded OSes running embed= ded Linux (not FreeBSD). >>> Not everyone needs the same. >>=20 >> Niche. We should be more than simply a desktop O/S (which BTW I use as >> my primary desktop) and we should be more than a simple bare metal O/S. >=20 > Simple bare metal O/S is what is really needed. Not really. As Cy pointed out, in order to ensure that FreeBSD is well-suppo= rted by large companies (Dell, Facebook via WhatsApp, Juniper, and Sony were= some of the large contributors over the past couple years, along with a hos= t of other smaller storage companies), so it continues to exist in a healthy= way, it needs to be dynamic and customizable to meet the needs from embedde= d development up to large-scale distributed systems. A number of these compa= nies have considered switching away from FreeBSD to Linux because FreeBSD is= niche (see Microsoft with Hotmail, Yahoo, etc). Let=E2=80=99s not give deve= lopers willing to make the switch more ammunition to do so. Cheers, -Enji=
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