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Date:      Wed, 5 Feb 2003 23:43:00 +0100
From:      Brad Knowles <brad.knowles@skynet.be>
To:        Julian Elischer <julian@elischer.org>
Cc:        Wilko Bulte <wkb@freebie.xs4all.nl>, Eugene Grosbein <eugen@grosbein.pp.ru>, chat@FreeBSD.ORG, developers@FreeBSD.ORG, core@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: dillon@'s commit bit: I object
Message-ID:  <a05200f05ba6743408b4f@[146.106.12.76]>
In-Reply-To:  <Pine.BSF.4.21.0302051056020.97117-100000@InterJet.elischer.org>
References:   <Pine.BSF.4.21.0302051056020.97117-100000@InterJet.elischer.org>

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At 11:01 AM -0800 2003/02/05, Julian Elischer wrote:

>  I suggest we hold a plebecite on this, where people be willing to put
>  their names in public to decide the issue.
>  I think personally that core has acted against the wishes of the
>  majority of committers, but that there is a large group who will go
>  along with what core says, because they believe in the "rules".

	This is a classic vocal minority/silent majority problem.

	Unless you explicitly enumerate all possible FreeBSD committers 
and contributors and ask each and every one of them which way they 
vote on the subject and you force them to vote one way or the other, 
and then you expose all the voting information (potentially obscuring 
the information that ties a particular arbitrary code to a particular 
person), then you'll never be able to get a final answer to this 
question.


	There are too many people who don't know anything about the 
situation (and therefore can't justify voting one way or the other), 
or don't care, or care but don't choose to complain publicly, etc....

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles@skynet.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

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