Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 14:17:49 -0600 From: Jeffrey McFadden <junkrigsailor@gmail.com> To: Da Rock <freebsd-questions@herveybayaustralia.com.au> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Realtek RTL8191SEvB Linux driver? Message-ID: <CAFpTYWNk1pUuPL_B8qOQ4VzAV7R8ouAGurdh4haonh-m5eagSw@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4F03A678.6050903@herveybayaustralia.com.au> References: <CAFpTYWM3ppJsVo-qZC=OXWHW1U5zAt3y5m==6hFw3JQNH%2B5NAg@mail.gmail.com> <4F02A3CE.7020404@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <20120103071028.4964dd33@scorpio> <4F030E00.5020806@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <Pine.GSO.4.64.1201031101580.7621@age7.nber.org> <4F038F8F.3090701@herveybayaustralia.com.au> <alpine.LFD.2.00.1201031922400.26468@nber4.nber.org> <4F03A678.6050903@herveybayaustralia.com.au>
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Thanks, all. I found a manual online. Jeff ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 7:08 PM, Da Rock < freebsd-questions@herveybayaustralia.com.au> wrote: > On 01/04/12 10:38, Daniel Feenberg wrote: > >> >> >> On Wed, 4 Jan 2012, Da Rock wrote: >> >> On 01/04/12 02:10, Daniel Feenberg wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, 4 Jan 2012, Da Rock wrote: >>>> >>>> On 01/03/12 22:10, Jerry wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, 03 Jan 2012 16:44:30 +1000 >>>>>> Da Rock articulated: >>>>>> >>>>>> On 01/03/12 11:15, Jeffrey McFadden wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> Don't ndis(4) ndiscvt and ndisgen(8) essentially accomplish what the >>>> OP is requesting? See the handbook section 12.8.1.1: >>>> >>>> http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_**US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/** >>>> config-network-setup.html<http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/config-network-setup.html>; >>>> >>>> or the man page for ndiscvt: >>>> >>>> http://www.gsp.com/cgi-bin/**man.cgi?section=8&topic=**ndiscvt<http://www.gsp.com/cgi-bin/man.cgi?section=8&topic=ndiscvt>; >>>> >>>> >>>> While doing the conversion looks a bit beyond what we would expect of >>>> an end-user, it does seem to offer a path for using hardware whose >>>> manufacturer does not support FreeBSD. Is there anything beyond licensing >>>> issues preventing such drivers from being included in the distribution, or >>>> made downloadable in FreeBSD form? >>>> >>> >> Oh yes, it is possible, just not probable :) >>> >> >> At >> >> http://sourceforge.net/apps/**mediawiki/ndiswrapper/index.** >> php?title=Category:USB<http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/ndiswrapper/index.php?title=Category:USB>; >> >> almost 800 compatible devices are listed. Not everything, but I have >> found that a willingness to spend a few dollars on a different card helps >> immensely in enjoying FreeBSD and Linux. For me at least it is easier to >> find a compatible card than to write a compatible driver. >> > Indeed :) > > I did notice that the card in question wasn't on that list. But my own > experience with ndiswrapper and wifi cards were far less than satisfactory- > the firmware always got in the road. But I may have just been too stupid at > the time :) > > I would also observe that most people involved with computers, whether as >> users or developers, have little symphathy for people with different needs >> from the device. This is a great impediment to progress. It is a mistake to >> assume that because you don't need something, another person's desire for >> it is illegitimate. In this case, I fully agree that it is an injustice >> that hardware vendors do not supply FreeBSD drivers, but that does not mean >> that users requiring such drivers are immoral or of poor character, and >> therefore to be ignored or insulted. There is little that FreeBSD coders >> and users can do about that injustice directly, however it is within their >> power to mitigate it with the NDIS wrapper. If that wrapper allows another >> user to enter the FOSS world, that will (in the fullness of time) >> contribute to reforming the vendor. >> > No they are absolutely not of poor character, I agree. Some messages can > be misconstrued, though, in that the replies can be terse and more logical > than sympathetic. Sometimes it is easier to replace with a different card > than flog a dead horse, although a user may take offense for emotional or > financial reasons more than logical. > > Mitigation is a difficult path as I have found personally, although NDIS > helps immensely with wired nics (not so much of a problem these days), and > I believe Luigi Rizzo's work with the linuxulator and drivers is to be > applauded ten fold. It takes a great deal of time though- I put forward the > idea when I was still a BSD pup not entirely realising the challenges :) > Luigi (and his colleagues) has been working hard ever since to facilitate > the more challenging aspects of multimedia drivers (whether or not that had > to do with my comments or not, I don't know). > > ______________________________**_________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/**mailman/listinfo/freebsd-**questions<http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions>; > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-** > unsubscribe@freebsd.org <freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org>" >
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