Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 13:39:23 -0800 From: "Garrett Cooper" <yanefbsd@gmail.com> To: "Robert Noland" <rnoland@freebsd.org> Cc: Randy Bush <randy@psg.com>, "Conrad J. Sabatier" <conrads@cox.net>, freebsd-current@freebsd.org, Artem Belevich <fbsdlist@src.cx> Subject: Re: i give up Message-ID: <7d6fde3d0812041339t5af6c8dfoc877d68cdb163bb0@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <1228425956.2012.12.camel@wombat.2hip.net> References: <20081128234155.0221e263@serene.no-ip.org> <4930D7CE.4080909@psg.com> <20081202220643.72eb52a3@serene.no-ip.org> <4936D0C2.2090306@zircon.seattle.wa.us> <ed91d4a80812031144o44740b21yf203fa729b17a323@mail.gmail.com> <1228342356.2078.24.camel@wombat.2hip.net> <7d6fde3d0812040151t77ca6200n5aa5a644223c2040@mail.gmail.com> <1228425956.2012.12.camel@wombat.2hip.net>
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On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 1:25 PM, Robert Noland <rnoland@freebsd.org> wrote: > On Thu, 2008-12-04 at 01:51 -0800, Garrett Cooper wrote: >> On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 2:12 PM, Robert Noland <rnoland@freebsd.org> wrote: >> > On Wed, 2008-12-03 at 11:44 -0800, Artem Belevich wrote: >> >> > Second, DO NOT use motherboards with built-in video. These are almost >> >> > always nvidia chipsets and suffer from the nvidia problem. Also, the video >> >> > is crappy and buggy. >> >> >> >> I'd not discount them all as a class. Intel's built-in G33/G35 with >> >> recent DRM and x86-video-intel driver seem to work pretty well for >> >> accelerated 2D on the few boxes I have under FreeBSD-8/amd64. I even >> >> get 3D working on occasion. :-) >> > >> > Correct, Despite my occasional frustration with them, Intel is very >> > supportive. They are providing docs and code (linux code) and I have a >> > decent relationship with the Intel graphics devs. >> > >> > ATI/AMD has also become much more friendly and r500 and below should >> > work fairly well. r600+ is still under development. >> > >> > Interestingly enough, VIA just released docs on some of their chips as >> > well. I have it on my list to work on, but I don't yet have hardware to >> > work with. >> > >> > robert. >> > >> >> --Artem >> >> Eh? ATI can't write drivers to get themselves out of a cardboard box >> on Linux, let alone FreeBSD. I have little faith that they'll get >> functional 64-bit drivers before nVidia does, as ATI as definitely >> demonstrated that they don't care for the *BSD market as much as >> nVidia has. > > I'm not referring to ATI/AMDs proprietary drivers. They are providing > open documentation now, as well as information that isn't yet public > when I ask for it. So, I'm speaking about the open drm/mesa/Xorg > driver, which afaik is working pretty well on r500 and below now. > > robert. Well, yeah. I was referring to the proprietary drivers though, because all you get is 2D acceleration with the open ATI/nVidia drivers. Given the fact that r500 is rather old too though... that lags a lot more behind nVidia -- but I'm sure that's due to volunteering and lack of man-hours because nVidia has a few devs dedicated towards maintaining their driver on *BSD. -Garrett
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