Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2016 13:11:10 +0300 From: Dmitry Sivachenko <trtrmitya@gmail.com> To: Mark Heily <mark@heily.com> Cc: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard <J.deBoynePollard-newsgroups@ntlworld.com>, FreeBSD Hackers <freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: relaunchd: a portable clone of launchd Message-ID: <817860B6-5D67-41A3-ADD7-9757C7E67C35@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <CAGfo=8kXzNVKy9gx0jkME4iRRyrgrsfpPnW3nYrZC0gysapPcg@mail.gmail.com> References: <5687D3A9.5050400@NTLWorld.com> <CAGfo=8kXzNVKy9gx0jkME4iRRyrgrsfpPnW3nYrZC0gysapPcg@mail.gmail.com>
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> On 07 Jan 2016, at 05:12, Mark Heily <mark@heily.com> wrote: >=20 > On Sat, Jan 2, 2016 at 8:42 AM, Jonathan de Boyne Pollard > <J.deBoynePollard-newsgroups@ntlworld.com> wrote: >>=20 >> I recommend, to anyone going down this route, looking towards = finishing >> systembsd, especially instead of inventing a wholly new suite of = protocols. >>=20 >> * https://uglyman.kremlin.cc/gitweb/gitweb.cgi?p=3Dsystembsd.git >> * >> = http://homepage.ntlworld.com./jonathan.deboynepollard/FGA/debian-systemd-p= ackaging-hoo-hah.html >> * https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3D10176275 >>=20 >> The reason is that finishing systemdbsd will make happy all of the = people >> who want the desktop environments whose design is driven largely by = Linux to >> work on FreeBSD/PC-BSD. The desktop environments that they'd like to = use >> have been or are being modified to work with these daemons, over this = D-Bus >> protocol. >>=20 >=20 > I strongly disagree with your recommendation to adopt DBus and systemd > as core components of FreeBSD. >=20 > =46rom a practical perspective, the proposal has a low probability of > success. Systemd is written for Linux and is largely driven by a > commercial Linux vendor. It is a rapidly moving target, with no sense > of scope or boundaries. It eagerly consumes the latest and greatest > innovations in the Linux kernel, with open disdain for portability. >=20 > =46rom a philosophical perspective, I don't agree with the direction > that systemd is taking Linux. It's one of the reasons I switched to > BSD after many years in the Linux camp. To quote Spock, "Logic clearly > dictates that the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few". In > case of FreeBSD, this means that the needs of the desktop users should > not outweigh the needs of the server/jail/embedded/appliance users. My > concern with systemd and DBus is that these tools are highly > desktop-centric, and introduce a large degree of unwanted change, > complexity, and risk to everyone else. I totally agree. systemd is an ugly beast, solving simple problem in complex way. After using FreeBSD's rc system for years, I think that switching to = something systemd-related would be huge mistake. No reason to clone everything that happens in Linux world.=
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