Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2008 13:28:21 -0700 From: Jo Rhett <jrhett@netconsonance.com> To: Kris Kennaway <kris@FreeBSD.org> Cc: Doug Barton <dougb@FreeBSD.org>, FreeBSD Stable <freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org>, Chris Marlatt <cmarlatt@rxsec.com> Subject: Re: challenge: end of life for 6.2 is premature with buggy 6.3 Message-ID: <5CCF0D6E-56C1-4EBD-B8A6-955311F7851E@netconsonance.com> In-Reply-To: <484808B8.8070506@FreeBSD.org> References: <9B7FE91B-9C2E-4732-866C-930AC6022A40@netconsonance.com> <4846D849.2090005@FreeBSD.org> <4846E14C.709@FreeBSD.org> <AC78CAC0-BA7C-4A20-9BEE-E7E37FD225E7@netconsonance.com> <48472CCF.8080101@FreeBSD.org> <4847EF62.1070709@rxsec.com> <4847F814.10409@FreeBSD.org> <4847FB1D.1050400@rxsec.com> <4847FFDE.8000209@FreeBSD.org> <48480473.3010009@rxsec.com> <484808B8.8070506@FreeBSD.org>
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On Jun 5, 2008, at 8:39 AM, Kris Kennaway wrote:
> There has been nothing of value offered in this thread, and it's
> only served to piss off a number of developers who already put huge
> amounts of volunteer time into supporting FreeBSD, and who take
> pride in the quality of their work.
I'm honestly sorry to hear that. I tried very hard with the very
limited time I had available to me to phrase it clearly as a policy/
support issue and not to put the blame on any developer. There are
number of issues in projects I support that are waiting on time from
me too, so I can hardly point any fingers in that direction. We *all*
have less time to work on this stuff than we might want.
> Asking the volunteers to
> a) fix unspecified problems that the submitter will not name in
> detail but which are OMG SHOWSTOPPER YOU MUST FIX
In rereading my quotes I may have not been clear on something. The
vast majority of these bugs have already been fixed. ("not in a state
that needs help identifying" was what I said trying to cover both that
and known bugs without a fix yet)
However, the fixes are not available in a -RELEASE version of the
operating system. This is why EoLing 6.2 and forcing people to
upgrade to a release with lots of known issues is a problem.
Obviously you have to choose between developer time/effort to create a
release candidate and the effort required to backdate security patches
to 6.2. I don't know the reasons (which is why I created this thread)
but my guess was the latter was easier than the former...
> b) donate even more unpaid time to supporting branches because it
> seems like a good "compromise" (!)
> shows a complete failure of understanding and frankly beggars belief.
Although the insults aren't helpful, I agree with you. I created this
thread because I have a "failure of understanding". I'd appreciate
some enlightenment of the real costs involved (and how we could help
if possible). That's why I created this thread.
> Such people are not acting as supporters of the project, however
> well-intentioned they may believe themselves to be.
You seem quite willing to make enemies. I'm not your enemy, and we'd
both probably get a lot more work done if you stopped treating me like
one.
--
Jo Rhett
Net Consonance : consonant endings by net philanthropy, open source
and other randomness
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