Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 11:03:59 +1000 From: "Doug Young" <dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au> To: "Mike" <mike@sixpak.net>, <freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG> Subject: Re: FreeBSD 4.2 and X Message-ID: <008201c0827c$e1ba1c40$847e03cb@apana.org.au> References: <001801c0827a$60a63460$020aa8c0@sixpak.net>
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[-- Attachment #1 --] I've had exactly the same problems several times when I tried to install X, haven't been too concerned because my main use for FreeBSD has been gateway boxes that are probably better off wihout X anyway (seems most experts believe so for security reasons). Occasionally I get a 3.x "X" setup to work fine (never once a 4.x) although its not consistent enough to use regularly. I still have nightmares from my linux (gasp, cough, splutter) days thinking about KDE lockups / crashes etc and haven't yet used XFCE sufficiently to feel at homewith it .......If I really want a Unix GUI then I install Solaris 8 which works properly EVERY time & has reliable support for applications I use (particularly StarOffice / Oracle that as far as I'm aware are still quite experimental in FreeBSD). For what its worth, X is probably fairly straightforward but like most things its just the inadequate explanation about configuring it that causes lots of people so much aggro. If I did have a pressing need for FreeBSD 4.x / XFree something / StarOffice I'd be browsing sites like freebsddiary.org, bsdvault.net, mostgraveconcern (links from previous sites) which generally have docomentation better suited to us non-experts than official stuff like the Handbook etc. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2001 10:46 AM Subject: FreeBSD 4.2 and X I've tried installing from CD (4.0) I've tried installing from ftp (4.2) I've tried installing the 5.0 current ... and in each case somehow the installation goes wacked when it comes to X. Everytime I try to run XF86Setup it pauses for 30 seconds and tells me it can't initialize the (X) server. What I WANT to do is install minimally, adding things as I learn and grow, not have everything but the kitchen sink installed and then try to make sense of it. But whenever it comes to X, I'm cursed. One time I got it running correctly, but somehow I ended up with parts of XFree 3.3.3 and XFree4.0 mixed up. It was a confusing mess. So I'm starting over for the 20th+ time. Is anyone else having install problems with X? What kind of install are you doing (I'm doing X-User, maybe I should go with developer to get source files?) and what version of FreeBSD are you using? (I'm TRYING to get 4.2 to work) Any help appreciated. Mike [-- Attachment #2 --] <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1"> <META content="MSHTML 5.50.4134.600" name=GENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I've had exactly the same problems several times when I tried to install X, haven't been too concerned because my main use for FreeBSD has been gateway boxes that are probably better off wihout X anyway (seems most experts believe so for security reasons).</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV> <FONT face=Arial size=2>Occasionally I get a 3.x "X" setup to work fine (never once a 4.x) although its not consistent enough to use regularly. I still have nightmares from my linux (gasp, cough, splutter) days thinking about KDE lockups / crashes etc and haven't yet used XFCE sufficiently to feel at homewith it .......If I really want a Unix GUI then I install Solaris 8 which works properly EVERY time & has reliable support for applications I use (particularly StarOffice / Oracle that as far as I'm aware are still quite experimental in FreeBSD). For what its worth, X is probably fairly straightforward but like most things its just the inadequate explanation about configuring it that causes lots of people so much aggro. </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>If I did have a pressing need for FreeBSD 4.x / XFree something / StarOffice I'd be browsing sites like freebsddiary.org, bsdvault.net, mostgraveconcern (links from previous sites) which generally have docomentation better suited to us non-experts than official stuff like the Handbook etc.</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"> </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=mike@sixpak.net href="mailto:mike@sixpak.net">Mike</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG href="mailto:freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG">freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, January 20, 2001 10:46 AM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> FreeBSD 4.2 and X</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I've tried installing from CD (4.0)</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I've tried installing from ftp (4.2)</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I've tried installing the 5.0 current</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>...</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>and in each case somehow the installation goes wacked when it comes to X.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Everytime I try to run XF86Setup it pauses for 30 seconds and tells me it can't initialize the (X) server.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>What I WANT to do is install minimally, adding things as I learn and grow, not have everything but the kitchen sink installed and then try to make sense of it. But whenever it comes to X, I'm cursed.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>One time I got it running correctly, but somehow I ended up with parts of XFree 3.3.3 and XFree4.0 mixed up. It was a confusing mess. So I'm starting over for the 20th+ time.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Is anyone else having install problems with X? What kind of install are you doing (I'm doing X-User, maybe I should go with developer to get source files?) and what version of FreeBSD are you using? (I'm TRYING to get 4.2 to work)</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Any help appreciated.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Mike</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
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