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Date:      Mon, 22 Jun 1998 21:15:23 -0400
From:      Malartre <malartre@aei.ca>
To:        arthur <arthur@col.auracom.com>
Cc:        "Michael P. Sale" <mike@merchantsnet.com>, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: Lists, newbies & support
Message-ID:  <358F01AB.1BED3257@aei.ca>
References:  <Pine.BSF.3.95q.980622193410.20196H-100000@outpost.col.auracom.com>

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arthur wrote:
> 
> On Mon, 22 Jun 1998, Michael P. Sale wrote:
> 
> 
> > 1.  Send out an email to all FreeBSD groups with this question.
> >
> > How many people on this list have been here for over a year and before
> > installing FreeBSD themselves had never used a unix variant?  This does not
> > count people that simply walked into a shop that runs BSD and had to learn
> > it with the help of co-workers.
> >
> > I'll bet that you get a minimal response.
> >
> .... I'm finally crawling out of the woodwork, No I'm not really new to
> unix, but the only other varient I have used is quite basic compared to
> what FreeBSD has to offer, oh yeah, I've been kicking around these mail
> lists for about 1.5 years now.
> 
> > If FreeBSD only wants customers that are familiar with unix, so be it.  They
> > are doing a fine job.  It will continue to be a "techie" OS that is slow
> > growing and will probably never really catch on.  I am beginning to think
> > that this is exactly what most of the "elders" at FreeBSD really want.  They
> > are probably already overworked and simply don't have a lot of time for
> > truly newbie questions.
> >
>   I'm in 100% agreement with this statement, and I also feel that a
> properly run newbie-questions list would be very beneficial to the entire
> FreeBSD project. It would be a good place for people new to unix to cut
> their teeth and ready themselves for the overwhelming amount of mail that
> comes from subscribing to -questions.
> 
> > While technically, everyone may be right about some of the initial problems
> > a newbies-questions list would cause, I firmly believe that from a business
> > AND NEWBIE perspective (getting more people involved, understanding and
> > staying with FreeBSD) a newbies-questions list is just a minimal first step
> > in the correct direction.
> >
>   Initially there would be problems, but if the list was setup as
> experienced newbies helping newbies it just might have a chance. Also a
> list of this type hopefully would cut down some of the traffic in
> -questions and mellow out the atmosphere of that list also.
> 
> > OK, I'll be quiet again.  (This should keep Sue happy for a while.  I think
> > the last time I uttered that I disapeared for two months) :-)
> >
> > Till next time,
> >
> > Mike
> >
> ... snicker, do you think Sue helped get -newbies started by disappearing
> for months at time ? ;)
> 
Well, i agree for a good newbie-chat place.
But there is that stupid question "what we will do on that channel?"
Ok, I suggest

A really chat channel
-No hardware talking
-Help on administration, but no-free answer: we should encourage
man-page reading and doc reading. Like in an answer to an easy question,
give an URL to a related page, but dont give the easy answer. If you do
so, they will ask hundred of those kind of easy question.
-FreeBSD related tips
-usefull reading on FreeBSD, Unix and thing like that

What do you think Sue ;-)
Even if its an old topic
Malartre
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