Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 16:05:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Daniel Eischen <eischen@vigrid.com> To: Michael Nottebrock <michaelnottebrock@gmx.net> Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Quo vadis, -CURRENT? (recent changes to cc & compatibility) Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.10.10309101550160.15329-100000@pcnet5.pcnet.com> In-Reply-To: <3F5F2774.9010408@gmx.net>
next in thread | previous in thread | raw e-mail | index | archive | help
On Wed, 10 Sep 2003, Michael Nottebrock wrote: > Sorry if this sounds a bit flame-ish, but the way I see it we now have a > system compiler in -CURRENT that doesn't even compile a hello world if > -pedantic is specified and breaks with lots of existing software out there > that tries to use a threads library because -pthread errors out (why could > this change not have been made _after_ 4.9 is out the door, btw.? Or before > 5.0-R FWIW.) It should have been made 2 years ago, a few months after libc_r became disconnected from libc. There was a whole thread about how ports should be using PTHREAD_LIBS and not using -pthread. Here is the link: http://docs.freebsd.org/cgi/getmsg.cgi?fetch=629118+0+archive/2001/freebsd-current/20010218.freebsd-current As to the timing; it had to happen soon. We need time to iron out the problems before 5.2-RELEASE. This was the first step; there may be a little more pain in the future but this needed to be addressed first. > Are we expecting people to be able to compile software directly from the > commandline at all these days and in the future on a (stable) FreeBSD-5? > > Is the decision criterion for making acceptable changes to core system > components that we can somehow make 3rd party software compiling via > ports-collection hacks? Things need to get worse before they can get better. If I didn't break -pthread, ports@ would have a harder time trying to make things build with a threading library that is selectable via PTHREAD_LIBS. We've had 2.5 years to do this, but now it needs to get done before 5.2-RELEASE. > I feel that a FreeBSD that manages to break so many existing configure-scripts > and build systems is degraded in usefulness. Please, this is -current. If you want less pain then stick with -stable and you won't be annoyed by the -pthread removal. -- Dan Eischen
Want to link to this message? Use this URL: <https://mail-archive.FreeBSD.org/cgi/mid.cgi?Pine.GSO.4.10.10309101550160.15329-100000>